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Maxxed out maf meter drop in fix for those with boost

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#4 ·
I saw that over there, very cool!!!!
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what size tubing will be optimal for this MAF? do we still need veins? And Paul, you have a Power FC, so you definitely have a MAF, unless David has a huge secret that he's been keeping from us
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#6 ·
Originally posted by james
I am maxing my MAF out at 10psi on my setup.
That STi MAF has a different load/voltage scale. If Im not mistaken that would be a retune for you.

Get Corky's 3" Maf tube instead. You'll have to cut some intake pipe to fit it in but the tune will be the same.

Or do nothing.

At 10psi you only have 1-2psi of fueling left anyway.

The only time its gonna matter is if you're WOT and elevation/barometric pressure/temperature are changing significantly. Such as when your in constant WOT going up a mountain where its 100* at the base and snowing up top. I know you do this often so perhaps you should scavenge a ScoobyRoo MAF.
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#7 ·
Originally posted by WTS+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WTS)</div>
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I am maxing my MAF out at 10psi on my setup.
That STi MAF has a different load/voltage scale. If Im not mistaken that would be a retune for you.

Get Corky's 3" Maf tube instead. You'll have to cut some intake pipe to fit it in but the tune will be the same.

Or do nothing.

At 10psi you only have 1-2psi of fueling left anyway.

The only time its gonna matter is if you're WOT and elevation/barometric pressure/temperature are changing significantly. Such as when your in constant WOT going up a mountain where its 100* at the base and snowing up top. I know you do this often so perhaps you should scavenge a ScoobyRoo MAF.
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Thanks Bill. I'll leave well enough alone at this point.
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However, it's good info for future reference. This place rocks. 8)
 
#8 ·
Tell me about it. In the later versions of the datalogit the maf curve is accessible. To retune for a new meter just set the boost to zero and make adjustments to the meter curve not the maps and whallah tuned.
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#9 ·
This car should easily be pushing 400+ whp, so maxing the MAFS would be an issue regardless of a 3" pipe.

Running the fins/vanes is always a good idea, as they stabilize the airflow in the pipe and make for a more stable output voltage.

As far as re-tuning for this MAFS, technically there shouldn't be really that much you need to do. The airflow curve should simply be sfifted by a straight percentage compared with the stock sensor. What you should be able to do is take a log at idle, once you get a steady idle that is and your MAFS voltage stabilizes. Since there will be slight fluctuation, just take an average value over time.

Next, pop in the STi MAFS and do the same thing. It will drop to a lower load cell since its reading less airflow, but you know that it has to be flowing the same amount of air since you're running the same rpm. Just bring in a bit of fuel to bring the AFR up to where you were and again, look at your average voltage.

You take V1/V2 and you'll get a number a bit greater than one. Then you just take the whole airflow curve, multiple every cell by the number you just got and paste it into Option 2 or wherever you want. Car should run exactly the same.
 
#10 ·
Wow! That's perfect timing!

So...LR...would this be any more difficult to tune come June? :twisted:

I'm wondering about the sizes, too. This may completely change what I'm getting for my turbo.

Thanks for posting it up, LR!

I would stick with a stock 2zz tube size for a stock 2zz engine.
 
#14 ·
This thread claims they are:

http://www.pdxtuning.com/technical_tuning_big_MAF.htm

2nd paragraph from the bottom of the post:

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It is also worth noting that the STI ECU allows a greater range of MAF values compared to the WRX ECU. While the sensor is the same, the stock WRX ecu does not read past 4.69 volts or 292 g/sec. In contrast, the STI ECU can read all the way to 5.0V and about 315 g/sec. This additional headroom is certainly needed with the 2.5 motor.[/b]
Sounds like some the STI guys are even going up to 3.25" MAF tubes for more power.
 
#15 ·
Originally posted by MoAtt
Wow! That's perfect timing!

So...LR...would this be any more difficult to tune come June? :twisted:

I'm wondering about the sizes, too. This may completely change what I'm getting for my turbo.

Thanks for posting it up, LR!

I would stick with a stock 2zz tube size for a stock 2zz engine.
6 one way half dozen the other. The drivability will be better.
 
#25 ·
it has the port for it on the pfc, but the 1zz and 2zz pfc's are not capable of running the pressure sensor. keep telling everyone to get the pressure sensor dude
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