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2nd set of wheels, what would you do?

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Yea, I know, yet another Tire/Wheel thread......

But, I have a second set of wheels and have been trying to decide what to do. Have read all the threads and I'm still unsure. At this time, I'm contemplating 2 options and would like all opinions ;) Oh yea, this is PFL, so all 15"

2 set's, 1 Summer and 1 All Season or
Go square, using the wider rear wheels on all 4 corners.

At this time I'm leaning towards going square, because a) cheaper, b) I really like the Nitto Neo Gen's that I have currently on the rear, good price (around $100) and at this point, Dragon and other spirited roads (no autocross or track time) I haven't had any loss of traction issues with these. But they only come in one size in 15"
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Do you need all seasons? Here in north AL, I run UHP summers for dailies (Conti ECS) and then 200tw tires for the fun stuff. I think unless you live in a cold area that often gets snow, there is no reason to get all seasons. I also am a fan of the square setup (y)
No, don't get a lot of snow in Knoxville, but temps in the 20's are not uncommon in the winter....Isn't that too cold for UHP's? (of course, I have other cars for those days, I don't have to drive)
No, don't get a lot of snow in Knoxville, but temps in the 20's are not uncommon in the winter....Isn't that too cold for UHP's? (of course, I have other cars for those days, I don't have to drive)
That's one of the reasons I have all seasons still. Temps can reach the teens most winters here so changing tires frequently for temperature fluctuations could get annoying in the fall/winter months. I'm planning on picking up some summer tires and lighter wheels this year though.
I've never had an issue, but do what you think is best, of course. I haven't driven them in below 20*F but just be careful when it's cold obviously.
Summer Tires and all seasons staggered. I don't drive summer Tires below 40 degrees. Don't care for Square
Obviously 205 A052's square and go to autocross with them
No, don't get a lot of snow in Knoxville, but temps in the 20's are not uncommon in the winter....Isn't that too cold for UHP's? (of course, I have other cars for those days, I don't have to drive)
Technically UHP summer tires will say that they should not be driven under 40F & not even be on the car & supporting weight when the temp is less than 20F. Under these conditions the tires develop cracks & if driven on will have much less grip & be more prone to damage from aggressive driving. Sqince this is largely manufacturer-liability related most ppl will report that they were able to drive on summer tires just fine in the cold but regardless it will rapidly decrease the effective tire life.

If you have a garage (you probably do if you can store a 2nd set of wheels to begin with) then put it in there in the winter, go summer tires, & use another car if it's below 50F.
... 1 Summer and 1 All Season or
Go square, using the wider rear wheels on all 4 corners...

... I haven't had any loss of traction issues with these...
The basic decision of whether to run staggered or square depends on what you are going to do with the car and what kind of handling you want. I think that deciding this on cost is short sighted. There is no point in having a performance car if you can't afford tires for it.

The issue with square tires isn't traction, it is stability near the adhesion limit. This can be good or bad, depending on what you are doing.
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Dragon and other spirited roads (no autocross or track time)
One day, maybe, my life will permit me to try autocross, but there aren't any tracks that I can get to. My use will be eastern TN mountain roads.
... My use will be eastern TN mountain roads.
I think that you would want to keep the staggered tires. Without some track experience, a square setup could bring you a very unpleasant surprise. Even with track experience, a mountain descent is the worst case for vehicle stability, and it is a place where you cannot afford to spin the car.
... a mountain descent is the worst case for vehicle stability, and it is a place where you cannot afford to spin the car.
Though I disagree with @rmeller 's earlier post about affording tires for a 'performance car' as lots of owners have enjoyed these cars for a lot of miles without spending gobs of money on tires!

This recent comment rings true, staggered set-up with proper alignment (camber, toe, etc.) will bring a very fun car (which is well behaved) out to play. Toyota changed the car in 2003 for a reason. Any car can be a problem in the wrong situation, but this car (even set-up pretty neutral) can mis-behave with a little improper input. Whether that be a touch of brakes at the wrong time, something slippery in the path of the wrong tire, or just carrying a little too much speed thru the wrong corner. I don't think it is really "snap-oversteer" though I could be wrong, I think it may be a little more difficult to "return to controllable" with the rear weight bias and other suspension characteristics. No matter - RMELLER's point is still solid - if you are not somewhere trying to find that last .1 sec around whatever track and are somewhere where trees (which are very unforgiving) are in the possible path, go with stable.

I am in the same boat - having just picked up a spare set of PRF wheels. Currently running old all-seasons, contemplating Flevas (195/205 as they are cheap - does this mean I have to sell my 'performance car' 🙄) for other set of rims - but still undecided. I do have a fair amount of track time (more than 100 hours - not ten - though not in this car) not sure I need to get too worried about ultimate grip. If I remember correctly the OP has stock suspension? even more reason to keep staggered.
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...cheap - does this mean I have to sell my 'performance car' ...
Well, if you can't afford tires... Just sayin'. Don't want to get involved in your personal budget matters. :)
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Any PFL cars running 195/50R15 front and 225/45R15 rear? Or, what sizes are you running that you are finding tire options? Trying to find more options than are available in the OEM size (what 3 maybe 4 brands? and I'm not a fan of Kumho or Falken. I'd love Yoke's but the $$ just ain't there at the moment, more than those is a bit of a waste for my driving (90% city) )
At this point in time, cost is an issue. 1st of Fed we installed a new HVAC system in the house and within 3 days, I crashed my spyder and lost my job. 4 months on, I'm working again, replacement spyder is running and things are falling back into place and hopefully, by next year I can get a serious set of shoes for my girl, but at the moment, things Are a bit tight
That is unfortunate to hear. I don't see a reason to completely disregard certain brands, I feel like most brands have a range of quality. For example, both Falken and Kumho make competitive and popular 200TW tires, but that doesn't mean I would buy their cheap options. Finding tires is one reason I like a square setup, but that has already been discussed. 190/50 and 205/50 are pretty common sizes.
Having gone though many tire brands all in the same performance category as the OEM or higher, I found that for a street car its not about the grip. Most of these tires exceed the grip of the original tires especially for the street to be dangerous. If anyone feels that grip is lacking then you need to work on suspension not the width of the tires as a bandaid. The difference that sets them apart is the feel which can be vastly different between the brands and the application. I found that it comes down to the sidewall stiffness or whatever is in the characteristics of the tires that make them feel responsive to make it fun to drive without having to push the car to the extreme to get the same satisfaction of feeling the load on the suspension.
I have test driven other peoples cars that are on all season tires for an assessment. When I start pushing the car to me it feels very unsafe that I back off because it makes me nervous as the car feels unpredictable and sloppy. If you are trying to be thrifty fine but I would not performance drive this car with those kind of tires.
If you find a good tire that agrees with you then keep buying the same ones next time because it's very easy to get suckered into buying a replacement that has better metrics for grip but you might end up having a worse driving feel compared to the ones you had. It is a gamble but if you lose you are stuck with them for a long time with regret.
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