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For Newb's: Turbos, 2zz, and now Supercharging

Turbo Kits for 1zz:

Monkey Wrench Racing: Monkey Wrench Racing Turbo Kit. All info is listed. These guys have been around since the mkIII MR2 came to America. Very good company and a lot of R&D went into this kit.

Turbokits.com: Turbokits Kit Formally the Hass turbo kit. 300hp at the crank (estimated), ~260 whp has been achieved with this kit. Very complete kit at a great price.

Recent Q&A:

Originally posted by wts
1. how much boost or even hp can i look to get if i just got the stage 1 kit?
Stage I 5-6.5psi depending on the weather. 190-205rwhp. Stage II 10-12psi and 230-250whp

2. has anyone gotten the on the fly boost controller hass offers? does is work pretty good?
You dont want a boost controller with Stage I but you will with II.

3. drivability concerns with the hass kit? is it auto-x able?
Only drivability issue I've had are random misfire CELs on cold start. You WILL be under boost most of any 60sec or shorter auto-x course.

4. on a scale of 1-5 how difficult was the install?
Having never driven much less installed a turbo before stage II was a 5 for me.

5. is there still issues with hass not being to deliver the kit?
There never were delivery issues only unmanaged expectations

6. just plainly convince me to get this kit.
GET THIS KIT

7. should i save up for an lsd?
YES, Do clutch at same time and save $300-500 in labor. You should also get some basic instrumentation: WB02 $300-400, oil pressure&temp $50-$100.If you live in a hot climate or plan to track the car OIL COOLER $200-$400
Power Enterprises: http://monkeywrenchracing.com/power_enterp..._turbo_kit.html all info is here.

Top Secret: http://www.turboclub.com/topsecret/products/zzw30.htm Main website: http://www.topsecretjpn.com/turbokits.shtml
250whp has been acheived:http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18277

Apex’I: Hard to source. Good luck if you want this one.

C2 Power: http://www.c2power.com/node/312. Good kit, comes from Europe. The Celica guys seem to like this kit a lot and the owner is very helpful.

TTE: My god, Toyota finally comes out with a turbo kit after the car is discontinued! Advertisement brochure: http://www.tte.de/downloads/brochures/TTE_MR2_Turbo.pdf. Installation Guide: http://dieamond.free.fr/Catalogs/TTE_Turbo.pdf. Pics of installation: http://www.silverstoneperformance.co.uk/fo...wtopic.php?t=92. Pros-retains factory warranty and has a three year warranty on turbo parts. Cons-not much power for the money.

Turbo XS: The kit was featured in sport compact car magazine and was posted on SC. http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34081

Additional items to consider for turbocharging thanks to WTS: http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic...4301227#4301227

2zz Swap:

Cost: $2,500-$5,000 depending on DIY, LittleRocket or a shop doing the work. Engines can go from $600 to $2000 and trannies from $600 to $1200. Go to car-part.com to look for these (look under pontiac vibe and toyota matrix as well). Sometimes Ebay works too. If you are interested in DIY please read the write-up in the library before asking questions: http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12095.

Vendors: LittleRocket so far has the most complete "plug and play" stuff for the 2zz swap. You can get the swap header, modified dipstick tube, and the right hand motor mount from him. He is also working on a loom connector for ecu, which will be very nice for people doing this swap (props to LR). You will also need to send the 6-speed shifter shaft to him for machining. Engine, tranny and ecu are up to you to get.

Turbo Kit for 2zz: One was made for my car at Hass Autoworks (now turbokits.com), but will probably be a custom, one-off kit. They can probably make more if demand calls for it, but I don't want to speak for Jesse, so if you are truly interested contact him. The kit produced 285 whp at ~9 psi and 327 whp at ~11-12 psi. Monkey Wrench also makes a 2zz kit now: http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyota_2...troker_kit.html

Trial also make a stroker kit that they claim is a full 2.0L. Info can be found here: http://trial.co.jp/trial-usa/celica/3zz.htm

Forced Fed is also making a stroker kit for the 2zz engine, but they are offering it for the Elise currently and no word on if they will sell it as a DIY kit.

Supercharging:

Since toyota sucks and decided not to make us a supercharger, the innovators on Spyderchat came up with their own solutions.

Web 3.0 and Carver have figured out how to make the existing 1zz TRD roots supercharger fit either by cutting the firewall or machining the supercharger.

Web 3.0's Solution: http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic...ger&start=0
Carver's Solution:http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic...er&start=45

Web 3.0 has also developed a supercharging system based on the rotrex supercharger for both 1zz and 2zz engines:http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32787

Carver has also designed his version of a roots supercharger:Carver Charger

Now we just need a twin-charged Spyder!


If anyone has anything to add please do so and I will put it into this list.

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[size=24]1ZZ TURBO KIT SELECTION CRITERIA[/size]

Here's some data I collected during my kit evaluation process last summer.
Options and Prices are as of Oct 2004
The vendors considered were MWR, HASS & Stafford and that is the order in which the options are listed.
OBDII compliant does NOT mean CARB approved nor legal in CA.

Turbo
PE1215S - MWR
GT28R - HASS
T3-super60 - SF

Stage I Wheel HP
190 @4.5psi
210 @7.5psi
210 @7psi

Stage II Wheel HP
??
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[email protected]

Cost Stage I/Stage II
$3295/??
$3200/3800
$3000/3800

WG Porting
$125 need to reduce boost creep
n/a
n/a

Air/Air Intercooler
$1199 Front Mount
Included - Rear Mount
Included - Rear Mount

Emanage/PFC
$549/995
Included/??
Included/??

Larger Injectors
$456
Included
Included

Exhaust
400 DIY
3” Included
2.5” Included

HF Cat -If you need to be OBDII compliant
200 -DIY
Included
?

Total Cost
5768/6720
3200/3800
3000/3800

Pre-tuned - Emanage is pretuned PFC is not.
Y/N
Y/N
Y

ECU
Emanage/PFC
Emanage /PFC
SplitSecond

Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator (RRFPR)
Optional
Optional
Required

ODBII Compliant - w/ Emanage = YES - w/PFC = NO
Y/N
Y/N
Y

Injectors
260OEM/550cc
420/630cc - 630s cost more
260/330/550 - 550's cost more

MAF Location
Pre-Turbo
Pre-Turbo
Post-turbo

Boost Onset
1300
2200
2500

FullBoost
2700
3000
3200

Reputation
Excellent
Good
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Celica '00-'01 8400rpm max

Celica '02 7800rpm max

Celica '03+ is Drive-by-wire (DBW)
 

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hey i have a quick question regarding the pe turbo.
apart from the wastegate porting, is it really needed to include the emanage and the larger injectors? i've talked with a couple japanese friends who have mr2 and actually have this kit installed and they said apart from the wastegate porting they added nothing else and their cars runs great, but i just wanted your guys opinion on this since i use you guys for reference in anything i purchase for my spyder. 190hp from 4.5psi is really really tempting. 1300rpm boost onset isn't bad either mmm power at idle that's just perfect for me. but then again...there is hass...
 

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Originally posted by ladabonkers
hey i have a quick question regarding the pe turbo.
apart from the wastegate porting, is it really needed to include the emanage and the larger injectors? i've talked with a couple japanese friends who have mr2 and actually have this kit installed and they said apart from the wastegate porting they added nothing else and their cars runs great,
You need tuning, it's not an option. That is, if you want your engine to last. Not to mention, properly tuned you'll make more power with the same hardware.
 

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Im super noobs with cars, i just recieved a mr2 from my dad. I found it to weak stock so i intend to engine swap with the 2zz. but b4 that i think i should get the stage 1 turbo, but if i do engine swap could i use the same turbo kit? sorry if im an idiot im only 16 :|
 

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Originally posted by mastern00b
Im super noobs with cars, i just recieved a mr2 from my dad. I found it to weak stock so i intend to engine swap with the 2zz. but b4 that i think i should get the stage 1 turbo, but if i do engine swap could i use the same turbo kit? sorry if im an idiot im only 16 :|
Nope, different animals.

Make sure you learn how to drive it in "weak" mode before you do anything to it or yourself.
Just because you're 16 doesn't make you an idiot unless you prove otherwise.
 

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Originally posted by mastern00b
So if i intend to engine swap i shouldnt get the turbo? If so ill be saving for a while :cry:
In general terms a 2zz swap will give about 185-200 rwhp. You will be using a lightly modified engine so it "should" be fairly reliable, no special work after swap and tune.

A turbo with 5psi or less "should: be reliable and put out around 200 rwhp. But if you turn up the psi you will "probably" be tweaking, fixing, replacing, and retuning more as the psi goes up along with the rwhp going up. You can get up to 250-275 rwhp with crossed fingers maybe even 300.That would be hard to drive on the street IMHO. But probably a handfull on a track. You will have to know what you are doing and what to look for to stay ahead of problems.

How much experance, time, money, and paitence do you have? That will tell you what you can do to the car. First learn how to drive a rear wheel drive car with a weight bias on the rear end. They tend to come around on you till you learn how one handles.

Check on prices for parts and installation if you aren't doing the work yourself. Speed costs, How fast can you afford to go. Don't forget your insurance will go up a lot with a modified car. If you don't inform your insurance company and have a claim and trhey relize that your car is modified you will have a hard and expensive time getting insurance again. Especially at 16 years old.

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Originally posted by ladabonkers
hey i have a quick question regarding the pe turbo.
apart from the wastegate porting, is it really needed to include the emanage and the larger injectors? i've talked with a couple japanese friends who have mr2 and actually have this kit installed and they said apart from the wastegate porting they added nothing else and their cars runs great, but i just wanted your guys opinion on this since i use you guys for reference in anything i purchase for my spyder. 190hp from 4.5psi is really really tempting. 1300rpm boost onset isn't bad either mmm power at idle that's just perfect for me. but then again...there is hass...
I guess your Japanese friends aren't hearing the spark knock from behind their seats then? The PE kit, even with the included fuel pressure regulator, does not provide enough fuel for boost and offers no means of tuning. The car will experience pre-ignition if you drive it in such form.
 

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Originally posted by mastern00b
...i just recieved a mr2 from my dad... I found it to weak stock...im only 16 :|
awwww, do your friends at school laugh when you tell them its got 138 hp?
 

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E-manage emanage software download

This is v 1.13 of the Support tool and v1.39 of the blue unit.
Dead link - goto the emanage group on yahoo.com
 

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When getting an Apexi Power FC for a 2zz swap, do you purchase it for a MRS or a Celica GTS? Just looking on Takakiara and wondered!
 

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For the GTS. You need the lift function for the 2zz.
 
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