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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (' date='Nov 17 2005, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I would be interested in possibly putting a turbo kit into my mr2, but my question is how do i find an experienced installer in the midwest? All these products and companies that will mod a mr2 are all out West in California.[/b]
ck with christian alexander in st. louis. i think he is associated with fantasy coachworks or is it motorsports. happy hunting
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duska @ Jul 17 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (' date='Nov 17 2005, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would be interested in possibly putting a turbo kit into my mr2, but my question is how do i find an experienced installer in the midwest? All these products and companies that will mod a mr2 are all out West in California.[/b]
ck with christian alexander in st. louis. i think he is associated with fantasy coachworks or is it motorsports. happy hunting
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Looking at all the options, and estimating expenses (w/o labor) as best I could, I was thinking of leaving the 1ZZ-GE in, and doing a clean NA build up.
Got access to a local reputable tuner and engine builder and I found (to the best of my knowledge) nice parts for the 1ZZ from Monkey Wrench Racing:

• Crower Cams (direct drop in) (thinking about Stage 2, anyone have these? loss of low end power? street-able? should stick w/ just Stage 1?)
• MW Racing 1ZZ-GE Engine Valves
• MW Racing 1ZZ-GE Engine Valve Springs
• Crower Billet Connecting Rods
• MW Racing High Durability Rod Bearings
• MWR Main Bearing Set - Toyota 1ZZ-FE 2ZZ-GE
• Wiseco Piston Set - Toyota 1ZZ-FE 1.8L VVTi (11.0/1) (these fit into a stock 1ZZ block?)
• Toyota OEM Crank Shaft (possibly required, depending on mileage)
• Toyota 1ZZ-GE Head Gasket
• MW Racing Greddy e-Manage Naturally Aspirated Pre-Tuned Package
• PPE High Flow Cat for Stock/TRD style header
• ERZ Performance Header (quality?-I saw what happened to some with the Che header, know of a better TRD style, or actual TRD header vendor?)
The PPE header and midpipe combo would cost $50-90 more, the rewiring sits tediously w/ me, and the shape of the piping tells me it wouldn't work with most cat backs designed for the Spyder to begin with (and I'm pretty sold on the HKS sport-I love the sound + HKS quality

coupled with a higher spec clutch, flywheel, lsd, catback, and oil cooler should make for a serious set up.

I know people say dollar for power, turbos the way to go :icon_beatdeadhorse: , but w/o labor, both the HASS turbo from turbokits.com and the 2ZZ swap
(with additional necessary parts for both) add up to more $$$(this seems to beat the turbo and swap both by about $1K in parts alone.)

I like the idea of clear(er) engine bay, all three options would end up needing 91 Oct fuel anyway, and I like the idea of a sick NA 1ZZ build up. clean.

If I hear alot of criticism about too many of these parts, then I would consider the other two options.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scigano @ Aug 18 2008, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I know people say dollar for power, turbos the way to go , but w/o labor, both the HASS turbo from
Turbokits.com and the 2ZZ swap (with additional necessary parts for both) add up to more $$$ (this seems to beat the turbo and swap both by about $1K in parts alone.)[/b]
Ignoring reliability, budget, schedule and mechanical apptitude a full zoot 1ZZ N.A. build will never match the power of even the smallest non-intercooled turbo setup on a stock internaled 1ZZ.

Have you read the doc in this thread? http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51642

IIRC, it costs $6000-8000 to put down 170whp with an N.A. 1ZZ and even more to reach 200whp with a 2ZZ swap.
 

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1zz is a crappy motor. Don't put money into it.

For less work and less price you can get more power out of a 2zz.

Or

For less work and less price you can get more power from a small turbo.
 

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my car is on the power enterprises site and the diagnostics as well. there is the stock dyno run at 124 hp; then the original run with the turbo before we figured out the knock sensor stuff and then the fianl dyno run at 194 hp pretty impressive.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WhyT @ Aug 18 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
1zz is a crappy motor. Don't put money into it.

For less work and less price you can get more power out of a 2zz.

Or

For less work and less price you can get more power from a small turbo.[/b]
I wouldn't go as far to say the 1zz is crappy. It is simply not designed to be a high performance engine; however, it's a perfectly good piece of efficient, modern machinery when you take away the precats.

I do agree that it can do wonders with a turbocharger attached and that trying to squeeze N/A hp out of it is a fool's ambition.
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kingspyder @ Sep 21 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WhyT @ Aug 18 2008, 07:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1zz is a crappy motor. Don't put money into it.

For less work and less price you can get more power out of a 2zz.

Or

For less work and less price you can get more power from a small turbo.[/b]
I wouldn't go as far to say the 1zz is crappy. It is simply not designed to be a high performance engine; however, it's a perfectly good piece of efficient, modern machinery when you take away the precats.

I do agree that it can do wonders with a turbocharger attached and that trying to squeeze N/A hp out of it is a fool's ambition.
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Good info, I was pondering the possibility of a Supercharger.. but kinda iffy in the production area..
Turbo is great, but to do it "right" or the way i want.. I don't have that kinda money.
Curious about the possibility of Crower stage II cams w/ valvetrain. But couldn't find adjustable cam gears. (I hear they are valuable in coaxing additional hp as opposed to just dropping in big cams in stock position/ stock cam gears)
Cams/ valvetrain are ~800+labor or so.. and I was wondering how much Hp can one realistically get on the 1zz w/ lets say C.A.I, Good header, good exhaust...????
5-20hp?
A 2zz swap could run me 2k-5k installed..to gain ~50-60hp.. So I start leaning back that way. Then i hear the 2zz doesnt have quite the potent low end of a 1zz..
I am still learning.. and trying to come to a conclusion of what i want/ can afford/ and is practical enough.
 

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I was reading this thread and I was gonna ask does anyone know where Carver is? Is the Carvercharger a dead project now? He seemed to have disappeared...
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MidEngineCrisis @ Nov 21 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Then i hear the 2zz doesnt have quite the potent low end of a 1zz..
I am still learning.. and trying to come to a conclusion of what i want/ can afford/ and is practical enough.[/b]
as a owner of modded 1zz, who previously had 1zz, 1zz +PPE/catless+TRD clutch+nur spec) ; now woth C60 + PFC + 2zz + aftermarket clutch+nurspec ; completely more than anything puts the above (1zz) to place even before lift comes in.

C60 makes up for the (perceived) 'lack' of grunt in 2zz under lift.

opinion is also shared by those who had a piggy ride in my car.
 

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great job

Turbo Kits for 1zz:

Monkey Wrench Racing: Monkey Wrench Racing Turbo Kit. All info is listed. These guys have been around since the mkIII MR2 came to America. Very good company and a lot of R&D went into this kit.

Turbokits.com: Turbokits Kit Formally the Hass turbo kit. 300hp at the crank (estimated), ~260 whp has been achieved with this kit. Very complete kit at a great price.

Recent Q&A:



Power Enterprises: http://monkeywrenchracing.com/power_enterp..._turbo_kit.html all info is here.

Top Secret: http://www.turboclub.com/topsecret/products/zzw30.htm Main website: http://www.topsecretjpn.com/turbokits.shtml
250whp has been acheived:http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18277

Apex’I: Hard to source. Good luck if you want this one.

C2 Power: http://www.c2power.com/node/312. Good kit, comes from Europe. The Celica guys seem to like this kit a lot and the owner is very helpful.

TTE: My god, Toyota finally comes out with a turbo kit after the car is discontinued! Advertisement brochure: http://www.tte.de/downloads/brochures/TTE_MR2_Turbo.pdf. Installation Guide: http://dieamond.free.fr/Catalogs/TTE_Turbo.pdf. Pics of installation: http://www.silverstoneperformance.co.uk/fo...wtopic.php?t=92. Pros-retains factory warranty and has a three year warranty on turbo parts. Cons-not much power for the money.

Turbo XS: The kit was featured in sport compact car magazine and was posted on SC. http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34081

Additional items to consider for turbocharging thanks to WTS: http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic...4301227#4301227

2zz Swap:

Cost: $2,500-$5,000 depending on DIY, LittleRocket or a shop doing the work. Engines can go from $600 to $2000 and trannies from $600 to $1200. Go to car-part.com to look for these (look under pontiac vibe and toyota matrix as well). Sometimes Ebay works too. If you are interested in DIY please read the write-up in the library before asking questions: http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12095.

Vendors: LittleRocket so far has the most complete "plug and play" stuff for the 2zz swap. You can get the swap header, modified dipstick tube, and the right hand motor mount from him. He is also working on a loom connector for ecu, which will be very nice for people doing this swap (props to LR). You will also need to send the 6-speed shifter shaft to him for machining. Engine, tranny and ecu are up to you to get.

Turbo Kit for 2zz: One was made for my car at Hass Autoworks (now turbokits.com), but will probably be a custom, one-off kit. They can probably make more if demand calls for it, but I don't want to speak for Jesse, so if you are truly interested contact him. The kit produced 285 whp at ~9 psi and 327 whp at ~11-12 psi. Monkey Wrench also makes a 2zz kit now: http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyota_2...troker_kit.html

Trial also make a stroker kit that they claim is a full 2.0L. Info can be found here: http://trial.co.jp/trial-usa/celica/3zz.htm

Forced Fed is also making a stroker kit for the 2zz engine, but they are offering it for the Elise currently and no word on if they will sell it as a DIY kit.

Supercharging:

Since toyota sucks and decided not to make us a supercharger, the innovators on Spyderchat came up with their own solutions.

Web 3.0 and Carver have figured out how to make the existing 1zz TRD roots supercharger fit either by cutting the firewall or machining the supercharger.

Web 3.0's Solution: http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic...ger&start=0
Carver's Solution:http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic...er&start=45

Web 3.0 has also developed a supercharging system based on the rotrex supercharger for both 1zz and 2zz engines:http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32787

Carver has also designed his version of a roots supercharger:Carver Charger

Now we just need a twin-charged Spyder!


If anyone has anything to add please do so and I will put it into this list.

Please sticky.
nice post , well done
 

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I don't think it does but I'll ask anyway, does that price of $2,500-$5,000 for the swap including the price of the engine and transmission? if not is it cheaper to swap in the 2zz or just turbo the stock factory engine with low boost?
 

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Ebay

This may be a foolish question, but I've mostly heard to stay away from ebay parts, such as "universal turbo kits"

Has anyone had any experience with these? Positive or Negative?

I have a 2001 MR2 and my friend has a 2006 Lotus Elise, and I want to get my MR2 on par with the elise without spending a fortune. It isn't something that has to be done anytime soon, just eventually I"d like to modify the car possibly with FI or a 2zz swap, however I'm confused as to how people are getting 200whp out of a 2zz swap and no other mods when the engine produces 191~at the crank? Maybe I'm missing something.

Thanks,

Andrew.
 

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2zz Swap:

Cost: $2,500-$5,000 depending on DIY, LittleRocket or a shop doing the work. Engines can go from $600 to $2000 and trannies from $600 to $1200. Go to car-part.com to look for these (look under pontiac vibe and toyota matrix as well). Sometimes Ebay works too. If you are interested in DIY please read the write-up in the library before asking questions: http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12095.

Vendors: LittleRocket so far has the most complete "plug and play" stuff for the 2zz swap. You can get the swap header, modified dipstick tube, and the right hand motor mount from him. He is also working on a loom connector for ecu, which will be very nice for people doing this swap (props to LR). You will also need to send the 6-speed shifter shaft to him for machining. Engine, tranny and ecu are up to you to get.

Turbo Kit for 2zz: One was made for my car at Hass Autoworks (now turbokits.com), but will probably be a custom, one-off kit. They can probably make more if demand calls for it, but I don't want to speak for Jesse, so if you are truly interested contact him. The kit produced 285 whp at ~9 psi and 327 whp at ~11-12 psi. Monkey Wrench also makes a 2zz kit now: http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=49024&hl=%5dMWR%202zz%20Turbo%20Kit%5b/url%5d%20%20%20%20LR%20is%20also%20working%20on%20a%20custom%20one%20for%20his%20car,%20which%20he%20would%20probably%20gladly%20make%20you%20for%20a%20fee%20if%20he%20ever%20stops%20doing%202zz%20swaps.%20%20Stroking%20the%202zz%20(given%20the%20misnomer%203zz):%20Monkey%20wrench%20racing%20has%20a%20stroker%20kit%20available%20which%20brings%20the%20displacement%20up%20to%201.93L.%20%20You%20can%20also%20over-bore%20with%20sleeves%20up%20to%200.5mm%20larger%20for%201.95L%20(I%20have%20one%20and%20don't%20ask%20how%20I%20know%20about%20the%20over-bore).%20%20Info%20can%20be%20found%20here:%20%5burl="http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyota_2zz_stroker_kit.html


Is there any plans to keep these threads up to date? I'm tryign to research a 2zz swap and am finding most links broken. I would love to see a good tutorial with pictures/etc. Any help please? :)
 

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may end up making one of these

Is there any plans to keep these threads up to date? I'm tryign to research a 2zz swap and am finding most links broken. I would love to see a good tutorial with pictures/etc. Any help please? :)
I will be doing a 2zz swap here soon, I will prolly, forward this and head it off at the pass
 
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