[Petrus]

This discussion is ridiculous. That 400 bhp 1zz doesn't make full boost until something around 5k rpm, which makes it completely useless for anything other than 1. bragging, or 2. racing. Most people do a lot more of 1 than 2. And of those people doing 2, it's almost always drag racing, which makes reasonable people yawn so hard their jaws become dislocated, their eyes roll into the back of their head as it tilts back, and then they die from a basilar skull fracture.

Any motor will temporarily make 1,000,000 billion horsepower. Whether it's drivable and long-lasting is the only criteria for whether its a worthwhile accomplishment.

400 bhp is silly on the open road in anything bar heavy good vehicles and for mere mortals plain dangerous in the ZZW30. In the real world 200 bhp is getting to the limit of user friendly for the average driver.
To put that in perspective: The only driving violation fine I received this century was for ´derrapando a gran velocidad´ with a 2 ton lifted traditional 4x4 with 120 diesel hp.

Fitting a modern engine with reliable 400 bhp in a ZZW30 is just a matter of money. Cool and all that but ... whatever makes you tick.
400 hp from a 1ZZ-FE well, maybe so, maybe not...but whý?! when there´s neat 4 cil.Honda engines doing that more reliably and at worst not more money!
For perfórmance on racing track a stripped ZZW30 with a blown Hyabusa is probably the most fun tool. More economical too and from mé gets the most creds to boot. But then I prefer more lightness over more powah.

As to drag racing @Node that makes mé yawn too as does parking lot scrubbing, but there is no discussing personal preference* and let´s appreciate others liking it; the differences make the world a much more interesting place.

* I raced myself to a medal in the IoM TT but wholeheartedly agree with tose who declare it núts.

 

[chilicharger665]

I want to forget the 2ZZ. I bought an MR2 with 128k on it and I was scared of the 1ZZ blowing up, as I bought it as a track car. I had a guy swap in a 2ZZ with a 6 speed and LSD. The 2ZZ blew up within 75 miles of driving on the street and now I have a brick of a car. I don't know what to do now.

 

[Petrus]

I want to forget the 2ZZ. I bought an MR2 with 128k on it and I was scared of the 1ZZ blowing up, as I bought it as a track car. I had a guy swap in a 2ZZ with a 6 speed and LSD. The 2ZZ blew up within 75 miles of driving on the street and now I have a brick of a car. I don't know what to do now.

Count your coins.
If within budget the K20 is a reliable fast track option.
If budget is an issue drop in a nice 1ZZ-FE with extra oil capacity in a baffled sump and have reliable fun with it.

 

[SDSUsnowboards]

I want to forget the 2ZZ. I bought an MR2 with 128k on it and I was scared of the 1ZZ blowing up, as I bought it as a track car. I had a guy swap in a 2ZZ with a 6 speed and LSD. The 2ZZ blew up within 75 miles of driving on the street and now I have a brick of a car. I don't know what to do now.

A turbo 1zz is almost certainly the least expensive way to get to a relatively reliable 210-220 whp on a track car, provided you use a standalone ecu and do not skimp on the tune. For a street-driven car, a K20 swap would be more reliable, but also 2-3x the cost.

My long-term plan is to use the turbokits.com kit, augment it with air to water, tune it for 91 octane, and fill the tank with 93 octane, and get rid of the cat. I'll use locktite on all connections, drill holes in all applicable bolt heads, and use safety wire to make sure nothing loosens up over time.

 

[evilthorne]

I want to forget the 2ZZ. I bought an MR2 with 128k on it and I was scared of the 1ZZ blowing up, as I bought it as a track car. I had a guy swap in a 2ZZ with a 6 speed and LSD. The 2ZZ blew up within 75 miles of driving on the street and now I have a brick of a car. I don't know what to do now.

There is more going on with this statement then you are telling us. Over 5 years myself and two friends were buying used matrix and vibe to part out. All in, more than 20 of them had parts transplanted from them. Not one of them had a bad motor, all 2zz, all compression over 195psi. A few bad c60’s though.
Most of the 2zz have more than 150k miles with probably close to ten of them being over 200k miles. All great, none burning oil. The motor in my Spyder has more than 220k miles on it and has been boosted for a further 10k miles at 11psi on a non intercooled supercharger set up. I have two 2zz sitting in my shed, both over 200k miles both over 200 compression both supercharged previously. Both still 100% good.

The 2zz is stout in stock form, it is a more reliable motor than the k any day of the week.

 

[chilicharger665]

There is more going on with this statement then you are telling us. Over 5 years myself and two friends were buying used matrix and vibe to part out. All in, more than 20 of them had parts transplanted from them. Not one of them had a bad motor, all 2zz, all compression over 195psi. A few bad c60’s though.
Most of the 2zz have more than 150k miles with probably close to ten of them being over 200k miles. All great, none burning oil. The motor in my Spyder has more than 220k miles on it and has been boosted for a further 10k miles at 11psi on a non intercooled supercharger set up. I have two 2zz sitting in my shed, both over 200k miles both over 200 compression both supercharged previously. Both still 100% good.

The 2zz is stout in stock form, it is a more reliable motor than the k any day of the week.

What else do you want to know? I paid a guy who has tons of experience with Spyders and 2ZZ's to swap it in. He did a leakdown test on it and everything before it went in. Leakdown was virtually perfect. I picked it up, drove 35 miles to my hotel. I got up in the morning and then drove it into the mountains and it blew up roughly 30-40 miles later. I was following a 70's 911 driven by an old man and wasn't driving hard at all. I literally didn't even redline it. I sat in 3rd gear and was in and out of lift, but never redlined it. The transmission didn't want to downshift into 2nd, so I just stayed in 3rd. This was on Angeles Crest Highway above LA. I was on all season tires, unknown brakes, and an unfamiliar road. I wasn't remotely pushing the car.

I had the Moroso oil pan, MWR coated oil pump gear, new gaskets, new timing chain guides, new Koyo radiator, and other new parts on it. I thought I did everything needed to keep it reliable and it put a hole in the block within 75 miles.

 

[FormInFunction]

No engine, no matter how unreliable, will spontaneously fail within 75 miles of use. Something was missed prior to installation during inspection or something was installed incorrectly.

Angeles Crest is a great driving road but real bad place to get stranded...even someone wanting to help you has to drive quite a ways to get cell service. Saw one guy's BMW teetering with the guardrail under the center of the car; hopefully he realized how close to death he came that day.

 

[Petrus]

Angeles Crest is a great driving road but real bad place to get stranded...even someone wanting to help you has to drive quite a ways to get cell service.

Just for general info because too many people are unaware: You wíll be able to make a 911 alarm call. Even without money on the phone or zero signal a 911 call will be picked up by satellites and relayed.
It needs to be a proper emergency though or you will get non-funny charges.

 

[k_swap_it]

Just for general info because too many people are unaware: You wíll be able to make a 911 alarm call. Even without money on the phone or zero signal a 911 call will be picked up by satellites and relayed.
It needs to be a proper emergency though or you will get non-funny charges.

Your cell phone won't magically turn into a satellite phone because of an emergency. It will connect to any available carrier network regardless of your plan, but you're SOL with zero signal.

 

[MerryFrankster]

this seemed fascinating to me as much as I despise iPhones.

Crash survivor recounts how iPhone SOS feature led to helicopter rescue in Angeles National Forest

A woman who survived a car crash in the Angeles National Forest recounted how an iPhone 14 emergency SOS feature helped summon a rescue helicopter after the vehicle plunged about 300 feet into a canyon.

abc7.com

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[Petrus]

Your cell phone won't magically turn into a satellite phone because of an emergency. It will connect to any available carrier network regardless of your plan, but you're SOL with zero signal.

Well, than don´t.

To the rest; please do. Or don´t. TIOLI.

 

[k_swap_it]

Well, than don´t.

To the rest; please do. Or don´t. TIOLI.

Doesn't hurt to try calling, but nobody should have a false sense of security that they can always reach emergency services. There is a reason that products like the Garmin inReach exist.

 

[Petrus]

this seemed fascinating to me as much as I despise iPhones.

Any phone will do the same if you choose the emergency number.

Do read the user manual of your android phone as nowadays most have an alarm function making an emergency call simpler for you.
Several modern ones have a function on the ON button: If you rapidly repeatt push it, it will send an emergency call in 5 or 10 seconds unless you cancel that.

My own older brick has an alarm function too. Again will delay making the call 5 seconds so I can cancel.

Anyway, works too without coverage from the provider or saldo.

 

[k_swap_it]

Any phone will do the same if you choose the emergency number.

Do read the user manual of your android phone as nowadays most have an alarm function making an emergency call simpler for you.
Several modern ones have a function on the ON button: If you rapidly repeatt push it, it will send an emergency call in 5 or 10 seconds unless you cancel that.

My own older brick has an alarm function too. Again will delay making the call 5 seconds so I can cancel.

Anyway, works too without coverage from the provider or saldo.

The iPhone 14 is the only phone that can make an emergency SOS call via satellite. You are spreading misinformation here.

 

[MerryFrankster]

Tsk tsk tsk Petrus you mis-informant you.

 

[SDSUsnowboards]

The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

 

[MrTwo1zz]

I want to forget the 2ZZ. I bought an MR2 with 128k on it and I was scared of the 1ZZ blowing up, as I bought it as a track car. I had a guy swap in a 2ZZ with a 6 speed and LSD. The 2ZZ blew up within 75 miles of driving on the street and now I have a brick of a car. I don't know what to do now.

You don’t let it waste away

 

[OchoPiernas]

Just for general info because too many people are unaware: You wíll be able to make a 911 alarm call. Even without money on the phone or zero signal a 911 call will be picked up by satellites and relayed.
It needs to be a proper emergency though or you will get non-funny charges.

Thanks for the info. So I looked it up and rather than being picked up by a satellite, when your phone has zero signal, that’s because it can’t access your carriers network. However, when you dial 911, your phone sends out a signal so all carriers networks can place the call. So zero signal doesn’t necessarily mean there aren’t any other networks nearby, just not your own. But of course if there aren’t any towers within range at all regardless of network, the call won’t go through.

Still, you might be able to call 911 using wifi if there’s an open wifi signal within range. But you can only do that if you activate wifi calling on your phone.

If you want to read the source of this info for yourself, this is where I got it from:Can You Make 911 Emergency Calls Without a Cell Signal? - Survival Sullivan

 

[Biomed&Barolo]

Thanks for the info. So I looked it up and rather than being picked up by a satellite, when your phone has zero signal, that’s because it can’t access your carriers network. However, when you dial 911, your phone sends out a signal so all carriers networks can place the call. So zero signal doesn’t necessarily mean there aren’t any other networks nearby, just not your own. But of course if there aren’t any towers within range at all regardless of network, the call won’t go through.

Still, you might be able to call 911 using wifi if there’s an open wifi signal within range. But you can only do that if you activate wifi calling on your phone.

If you want to read the source of this info for yourself, this is where I got it from:Can You Make 911 Emergency Calls Without a Cell Signal? - Survival Sullivan

I think recently iPhones including older than the 14 starting showing “SOS” instead of no bars when you are in an area with no signal from your carrier but signal on another band. Most of the places I go with no signal, have none whatsoever.

 

[Petrus]

Thanks for the info. So I looked it up and rather than being picked up by a satellite, when your phone has zero signal, that’s because it can’t access your carriers network.

it is not the SIM which sends the signal but the antenna. Com satellites will also pick that up, In case no tower responds it will be relayed. No, there will be no phóne call/connection but the alert is passed on.
Worked several years in first line response here in the mountains. Was also the mounted unit for tricky to reach sites.

Anyway, the message is; DO call in case of emergency on roads like the one mentined even if you have zero signal.