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How to make your smt shift faster

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#1 ·
The smt is like all things in a street going performance car is a compromise. The compromise is shifting speed vs. reliability. Ideally there should be 2 shifting modes one mode for longevity and one mode for speedy shifting. The actual shifting mechanism is quite quick in stock form what isn't is the clutch engagement.

There are a couple ways to make the smt up shift faster. The system works by monitoring crank speed (rpm) and Transmission input shaft speed (RPM). When those two shafts are within 500 rpm of one another the smt will release the clutch to engage it and the next gear. A good example is the smt down shifts faster than it up shifts because it can rev the engine faster than decelerate it. There are a couple ways to make those two shafts reach the appropriate speeds quicker.

Over the years smt owners have devised a couple ways to make the smt shift quicker. One is to time lifting off of the throttle with up shifts so the throttle body closes faster and the revs drop faster. This method works but can be inconsistent. I figured out a way (thanks to oilfieldtrash for letting me tinker with his car) to make this happen without the timed throttle lifting part. Lifting results in quicker up shifts because of the back up system the smt Drive by wire system uses. The back up system uses the actual throttle cable in the event the dbw motor or pedal sensor fails. None of the later model toyotas that use Drive by wire throttle bodies have this back up because the systems are very reliable. If you have taken the smt t/b off you will notice that the cable input spool will open the throttle body partially.

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The mechanical opening/back up system is the reason you need to lift throttle to get it shift remotely quick. With the throttle body fully closed the revs match faster. The revs will drop low enough with the t/b only partially open (not lifting your foot off of the floor) for the smt to shift it is just painfully slow. Remove this direct link to the throttle plate and you don't have to move your foot off of the floor to get the car shifting as quickly as possible.

So to get that perfect lift throttle timing every time all you need to do is take the throttle body off of the car. Pull the 4 bolts out of the pedal position sensor. Cut the tab off of the pedal position sensor to remove the direct link. Then reassemble and install the throttle body. Be advised this mod eliminates the mechanical throttle acutation backup.

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This is two different pedal position sensors. The one on the left has the tab removed the one on the right is stock.

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The other method to improve shifting speed is to lighten the rotating assembly (crank, clutch pressure plate, flywheel, rods, pistons, crank damper) so the revs fall faster. This allows the shaft speed to fall faster when the throttle plate is closed. Which in turn allows the smt to engage the clutch quicker? This mod is effective but costly. If you want to do this mod buy the absolute lightest flywheel and clutch combo possible. I DO NOT recommend using undampened crank pulleys to lighten the rotating assembly. Under driving individual accessories like the alternator will also improve this. Lighter rods and pistons would help but not worth the effort IMHO.

SMT Throttle body Removal and reinstall
 
#107 ·
excellent

This sounds like something i would enjoy doing. I just added "MWR Forged Steel Ultralight Flywheel", "Crower stage 1 Cam set" and " Competition Clutch - 1ZZ/2ZZ All - ST1" I am currently replacing the struts and axles but would love to take a break and perform this MOD. I just wish the Pictures were still available to look at. Does anyone have any of these pics available so i can see the "TAB" everyone is cutting off?
 
#116 ·
I’m guessing you’re looking for the SMT “quick shift“ mod. It involves removing the forward portion of the throttle body (only the cable quadrant). Then cutting off the metal tab that allows throttle cable input to the throttle body. The “quick” benefit, is made by isolating the butterfly from gas pedal cable input, forcing the system to use only “throttle by wire” input. Supposedly the cable input only served to delay shifting. This link has photos that show what needs to be done. And the link works…as of April 2023.
 
#120 ·
I think that what really limits the speed is the requirement that every shift rev match. For upshfts, you have to wait for the flywheel to spin down.

I am sure that they tried many shift algorithms during development, and all they needed to do is provide 2 or 3 selections keyed to the throttle position. For example, rev match below half throttle, partial slip up to 95%, and ASAP for WOT. That would have been a nice car.
 
#125 ·
The simple way, and the right way, to solve this would have been to have several shift algorithms keyed to the TPS. It wouldn't have cost anything to implement, because they already had the algorithms, and it would be only a few lines of code to select the best one. You would only have to wear the clutch and jerk your neck at WOT. They could have had it both ways. :rolleyes:
 
#127 ·
Correction Cyclehead: I am not one of the inventors of the MR2 SMT system.

About duration of torque interruption during gearshifts: The SMT feels slow and sluggish at WOT when tuned for ~1.0 seconds of torque interruption. The jerking feels worse when tuned for 0.5 seconds, and from that someone extrapolated that it must be terrible at 0.25 seconds... But the real World is not linear: SMT with <0.25 second torque interruption feels just fine because the head/neck then has little time to nod/move. At <0.1 seconds it will approach the feel of racing (or MC) with dog-shift -- a WOT up-shift then feels like a small bump in the road. However: The MR2 SMT is not made for so fast gearshifts. There are many obstacles for this: the fluid passages to the clutch cylinder, tiny hydraulic fittings (quick connectors), hydraulic valves with slow response and small ports, limited strength of the gear shift mechanism and software control (with less than ideal precision/timing/overlapping motion) of clutch, shift, select, pressure, and last but not least the engine. When trying to speed up the gearshifts the margins of error becomes smaller while the consequences of error becomes more severe.

About shift force and synchronizers: High force like 200 kgf applied to the the synchronizers leads to very quick gear synchronization, low force like 40 kgf leads to slower... During the the early days of SMT, I was told that a too high shift force would wear down the synchronizers. Later it turns out that the energy to be dissipated by a synchronizer is approx. the same no matter the the force. Other parts of the gearshift mechanism can be more sensitive to overload.
 
#130 ·
I post this here as inspiration for those who want to make SMT faster. This is an old measurement from a prototype/demo SMT car we made, not from a stock MR2. 25 years ago some of us still thought that if we could make the SMT perform like demonstrated by this car, then a DSG would be nothing but dead weight and complexity.
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#132 ·
I understand one can have "good feelings" about narrow pipes, but physics and calculations are the better tools for engineering. For example: When the math revealed that the clutch control pipes and valves on the LFA SMT were too narrow for the flow (and the desired response), then the math trumped the feels.

I agree; its mostly the waiting that makes the MR2 SMT so slow. It waits for for both revs and a sluggish throttle response. It waits also when it should not wait at all, e.g. while up-shifting at high RPM and WOT.
 
#135 ·
for the MR2 SMT, it only waits to revs matching at WOT shifting. the clutch engagement is fast with the WOT shifting. with the cruising shifting, the clutch engagement takes a period of time, that is made for shifting comfort and reliability. don't forget to allow it to complete the shifting before accelerate again with the cruising shifting, because you can slip the clutch with it.
 
#136 ·
Hi I would like to improve my switching speed on my MR2 and came across this post. Now I'm wondering whether this can actually be done or whether it's suicide for the transmission. If so, are there instructions for this somewhere online?

What does the transmission generally look like with engine performance upgrades? Is this even possible with the gearbox or should you leave it alone anyway?