[OldDude]

http://www.quakerstate.com/#/motor-oil/defy?gclid=CNWgkcyNirACFeJ9OgodQgK1Nw

I just ran across this.

 

[dev]

http://www.quakerstate.com/#/motor-oil/defy?gclid=CNWgkcyNirACFeJ9OgodQgK1Nw

I just ran across this.

If it's API approved I am willing to bet it does not have enough zinc in it to be any good for it's claims.

Also semi synthetic in most cases is only 10% synthetic base stock. There are many oils that make bold claims and it's only after they get taken to the FTC they will need to pull back on the wording.

The true test of this oil is a comparable oil analysis which I think will not prove to be better and probably worse then Pensoil Platinum.
The bottom line with this oil is not on it's claims as much as the cost per quart but then again who wants to run dyno oil.

 

[OldDude]

but then again who wants to run dyno oil.

True.

 

[kaustein]

Synthetic oil isn't synthetic. It is regular oil processed so that all the molecules are the same size. There are polymers added and other things, but the oil is still oil only with uniform molecules.

 

[OldMan]

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[jmc]

Here is a VOA of Defy-
Q State Defy 5w30
SAMPLE TAKEN 4\23\12

ALUMINUM 0
CHROMIUM 0
IRON 0
COPPER 0
LEAD 0
TIN 0
MOLYBDENUM 83
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 0
BORON 169
SILICON 4
SODIUM 2
CALCIUM 1688
MAGNESIUM 7
PHOSPHORUS 735
ZINC 839
BARIUM 0

INSOLUBLES 0
WATER 0
FLASHPOINT ºF 420
SUS VIS 210ºF 65.1
cSt @ 212ºF 11.63
TBN 7.8

And a VOA of
Formula Shell 5w-30 SN
Sample date 10/01/2011

Aluminum 0
Chromium 0
Iron 0
Copper 0
Lead 0
Tin 0
Molybdenum 66
Nickel 0
Manganese 0
Silver 0
Titanium 0
Potassium 0
Boron 188
Silicon 4
Sodium 0
Calcium 1633
Magnesium 7
Phosphorous 613
Zinc 846
Barium 0

SUS [email protected]°F 59.0
cSt [email protected]°C 9.94
Flashpoint in °F 425
Water % 0.0
Insolubles % 0.0
TBN 8.8

Pennzoil, Quaker State, Shell are all owned by Sopus Products
Looks to be the same oil, different bottle...
Info from BITOG, Blackstone labs

 

[jmc]

And Pennz Platinum as well

ALUMINUM 0
CHROMIUM 0
IRON 0
COPPER 0
LEAD 0
TIN 0
MOLYBDENUM 43
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 0
BORON 60
SILICON 4
SODIUM 0
CALCIUM 3021
MAGNESIUM 10
PHOSPHORUS 721
ZINC 772
BARIUM 0

INSOLUBLES 0
WATER 0
FLASHPOINT ºF 430
TBN 12.3

 

[dev]

Synthetic oil isn't synthetic. It is regular oil processed so that all the molecules are the same size. There are polymers added and other things, but the oil is still oil only with uniform molecules.

Yes and no. Synthetic oil is suppose to be derived from chemical molecules that can come from any number of sources either vegetable or mineral. It doesn't matter where it comes from as long as its pure and standardized. It is the same as panning for gold.

These molecules are then made into the base stock in the lab being PAO or poly ester.

Dino oil is more or less loosely refined fossil oil that has more then just it's lubricating molecules as it also contains some level of impurities.

Hydrocrack group III oil is a harvested dyno oil in which the molecules are standardized and it can perform as good these days as real synthetic oils even though the process is much cheaper.

A good base stock is fundamental but what really makes the oil is the formulation of additives and in that regard some good dino oil can perform better the some synthetics.

 

[dev]

Here is a VOA of Defy-
Q State Defy 5w30
SAMPLE TAKEN 4\23\12

Pennzoil, Quaker State, Shell are all owned by Sopus Products
Looks to be the same oil, different bottle...
Info from BITOG, Blackstone labs

Thanks for the information on that. It makes me wonder if they are the same then why is the Quaker State semi synthetic. The Pennzoil Platinum is group III.

 

[kaustein]

Try this

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Synthetics/What_Is_Synthetic_Motor_Oil.aspx

 

[dev]

Try this

https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Synthetics/What_Is_Synthetic_Motor_Oil.aspx

That does not mean it's 100% right. That how Mobil makes their base stock. Redline does not use that process at all.
Interesting enough Amsoil gets their base stocks from Mobil.

It does not matter where you get the molecules just as much as where you get your H20.

 

[NHinNC]

This might make it easier to compare:

Here is a VOA of Defy- ----And a VOA ------------------ Pennz Platinum
Q State Defy 5w30------- Formula Shell 5w-30 SN
SAMPLE TAKEN 4\23\12 ---Sample date 10/01/2011

ALUMINUM 0 0 0
CHROMIUM 0 0 0
IRON 0 0 0
COPPER 0 0 0
LEAD 0 0 0
TIN 0 0 0
MOLYBDENUM 83 66 43
NICKEL 0 0 0
MANGANESE 0 0 0
SILVER 0 0 0
TITANIUM 0 0 0
POTASSIUM 0 0 0
BORON 169 188 60
SILICON 4 4 4
SODIUM 2 0 0
CALCIUM 1688 1633 3021
MAGNESIUM 7 7 10
PHOSPHORUS 735 613 721
ZINC 839 846 772
BARIUM 0 0 0

INSOLUBLES 0 0
WATER 0 0 0
FLASHPOINT ºF 420 425 430
SUS VIS 210ºF 65.1 59
cSt VIS @ 212ºF 11.63 9.94
TBN 7.8 8.8 12.3