nice review of tires I am planning on getting next month, though my spirited road driving may not be quite as aggressive. close on lateral g's but not on speeds. My car has Eibach's and Koni's with larger front bar and some bracing so I am looking forward to my own testing, interesting that you went that high on pressures for the front (and rear). I assume your fronts are V701 195/50-15 82V .

by the way - might want to work on high beam alignment, you should be able to get a little better pattern.

Send more videos from TOUGE please.

 

Thanks for the tip I'll look into it, I don't remember the number but most likely it's 82 with a V speed rating, by the way about the Gs I'm not sure if a standard phone gyroscope is very accurate to measure the G force it might be lower if you measure it with a proper g meter.

 

I'm guessing you know that road pretty well to be testing tires out in the dark...

 

Yes, and I'm assuming you have no fear of deer and coyotes leaping out, as I do after three incidents in my Hyundai sedan and Mazda Protege--never in my MR2.
The tires: Agree pretty much all the way around. beachbum turned me on to the Fleva 701 and I have been quite satisfied.

 

Did the tires feel more responsive when you increased the tire pressure?

 

when cold it was a similar feel but when hot the response was much better

 

I'm guessing you know that road pretty well to be testing tires out in the dark...

It's the main road I've been running for the past 5 years so yes I do know it well

 

better at night then daytime with cyclists, teslas and priuses roaming about

 

I’m running the same Yokohama tires on my MR2 as well. I’ve had them on there for two years now. I find that they offer a good compromise between good grip, decent treadwear and low road noise. Although I will say that after watching your video I’m probably not giving the tires as much of a workout as you do! That was some excellent driving!

 

Thank you 🙂 treadwear is indeed pretty good at 300 not too low like semi slicks that are less than 200 nor too high like regular road tyres, also road tyre options are quite slim in my country Greece with the 15 inch wheels at least if you look at reputable brands and with the stock 1ZZ I have it wouldn't be a good idea to fit any larger wheels

 

Running these tires too but staggered 195/55/15 and 205/50/16. I think Ill go 195/50/15 front next time. Im also running 26psi front 32psi back. They feel great worth every penny but I cant compare because my previous tires were garbage and the wrong sizes. I do tend to oversteer with the smallest provocation and easily spin out on the wet without any warning at all even at ver slow speeds but thats probably because the car came with a really big rear stabilizer bar. Ill try 32/34psi to see how it goes.

 

If you start a new thread I can advise you on what is wrong with your set up and how you can fix it being a street application.
I do not want to muddy the waters on the OPs thread because it goes into tires which he is satisfied with for his use case.

 

It sounds like the really big rear sway bar is the potential issue. Try disconnecting it.

 

When I first started reading, Spiderchat, the general rule was no racing stories. Now we have a thread, where a number of members are out to either kill themselves or others. Animals always pop out from nowhere, plenty of other cars, cross yellow lines, and the horror of making a mistake is generally too late to stop it from occurring. I also believe that many number of the members here don’t understand that tires are a major port of the entire suspension. If you want to drive at high speed on twisty roads in the middle of the night, you will end up a statistic, and possibly take someone else with you. It’s disappointing that none of the more seasoned members here aren’t telling you to go to a track, where at least the chances of hurting yourself or others is less. Taking a streetcar and trying to turn it into a race car is fine, but take your tuning experiments to a track. You can start the flaming now, I’ll just consider it total immaturity.

 

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You are absolutely right and I hope you are not getting that vibe from me that I am in anyway encouraging dangerous travel. I have tried my best to relay my experience and philosophy of enjoying the car at slower speeds spiritedly (not recklessly)and investments in a safe set ups for feel.
What I have experienced and seen first hand is one accident that occurred behind me because someone decided to mix worn out all seasons with performance tires. I have also seen all kinds of other poor decisions from new owners using stiff suspensions that are out of control for inexperienced drivers where the car scares me to death when I am asked to give it a shake down on a test drive.
I am actually surprised there hasn’t been a much wider epidemic of crashes. Lots of bad tire and suspension advice to go around but it is unstoppable and I have almost given up except when it is the drives I host where safety is very important to me for the rest of the group and those that share the road.

 

One wants to remember that anything posted here could end up as evidence in a million dollar wrongful death lawsuit. Anyone can read this stuff, including morons and irresponsible teenagers. You could make a sarcastic suggestion, and some rando could take that as the word of wisdom, and then go out and kill himself and a bunch of others. I make a point of answering dangerous suggestions, even if they are obviously preposterous.

 

Driving a car in a spirited manner can be a gray area and still dangerous however there is a clear threshold where someone is driving in a reckless manner.
Making the tires squeal consistently and losing traction on the street is an obvious sign that you have a poor set up and taking the car to extreme dangerous limits.
The other thing that follows is flagrant disregard of only prioritizing your safety and not damaging your car rather than the impact on hitting others and ruining their life. They did not sign up for your risk taking.

This is in no way directed towards anyone.
Fortunately what I have seen on this forum follows a pattern that is self limiting. I do not want to type cast but I have found that those that want to go fast on the street in a reckless manner with poor tire and suspension choices usually end up with a car that is broken beyond their understanding and repair because of the same pattern of bad choices. Most of the time the car gets totaled or broken on shoe string budget by trying to get quick answers they want on a forum that only agree with their bad choices rather than classical learning from reading books like the service manual.

@drobbs Do you remember this. This guy constantly got himself into all sorts of trouble by wrecking his car by his own hand.
https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/centered-on-a-rock-please-help.38967/#post-662554

 

Driving a car in a spirited manner can be a gray area and still dangerous however there is a clear threshold where someone is driving in a reckless manner.
Making the tires squeal consistently and losing traction on the street is an obvious sign that you have a poor set up and taking the car to extreme dangerous limits.
The other thing that follows is flagrant disregard of only prioritizing their safety and not damaging their car rather than their impact on hitting others and ruining their life. They did not sign up for your risk taking.

This is in no way directed towards anyone.
Fortunately what I have seen on this forum follows a pattern that is self limiting. I do not want to type cast but I have found that those that want to go fast on the street in a reckless manner with poor tire and suspension choices usually end up with a car that is broken beyond their understanding and repair because of the same pattern of bad choices. Most of the time the car gets totaled or broken on shoe string budget by trying to get quick answers they want on a forum that only agree with their bad choices rather than classical learning from reading books like the service manual.

@drobbs Do you remember this. This guy constantly got himself into all sorts of trouble by wrecking his car by his own hand.
https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/centered-on-a-rock-please-help.38967/#post-662554

Telling people how to live is nobody's bussiness is what Im saying. There will always be idiots, and there will always be accidents. And even if youre the perfect driver somebody could still ram you and destroy your car leaving your driveway. Everybody has different circumstances so I try not to judge.

 

Car crashes should really not be called accidents. There is always a reason for the crash. Either a part failure or a driver error or Wildlife unexpectedly showing up. I guess a lightning strike could be called an accident.

 

There is a lot of space between clearly stating common sense principles and telling people how to live.

 

Assuming people are idiots and telling them not to be idiots is not as productive as you may think.

And you don't need to be hit by lighting to have an accident, people fall asleep on the road, an animal may jump before you can react, some old person can have a stroke, maybe your brakes fail, the list goes on and on, these are called "accidents" because you didn't expect it and you're never 100% in control of every situation.

But I would rather stay on topic and just talk about tires if you don't mind. So I won't continue replying to these.

 

Hello again, I've read what you say about the video I posted , it may seem too fast or dangerous for public roads to some but It's not like I'm going out of my lane or driving on my limit the car can go even faster I choose not to push it further to reduce the risk , I try to enjoy my car on the street and stay safe, I'd love to go to a track though my budget doesn't allow me to do that currently I tried to go on a trackday recently but the track was very far away and I couldn't afford to ruin the tires I saved up for months to buy, I always try to reduce the risk as much as possible and I inspect the course driving slowly before going faster, I enjoy driving on twisty mountain roads and I won't stop doing it, but at some point I hope I can afford to go to a racetrack and drive my car, btw I only do that late at night and only on mountain roads that are quiet , during daytime and on areas with lots of traffic I drive respecting the speed limit and all traffic laws .

 

One tip is when I want to go fast but I cant, I just drop the top and the car feels twice as fast with all the wind in your face

Has anyone tried the Advan Sports? Are they worth the extra money over the Flevas?

 

xD

 

But, what if he doesn't die? Then what?

 

Hitting animals or having a heart attack is a lightning strike, accident. Mechanical failures or driver issues are crashes that should not have happened. A harsh view but it is my view. And yes what happens if you don't die but are so messed up that you can't do anything except drool. I've had two deer jump out in front of me unexpectedly at night. I have had a javelina across the road in front of me unexpectedly at night, I missed it. Animals do like to come out in the evening or night unexpectedly. Of course life itself is unpredictable. The idiot running a red light or stop sign happens more often in my experience.

 

Just going to comment that I recently put a set of these on one of my cars (not MR2) and they seem to fit the bill for a "sporty" but not "harsh" tire. The sidewall does feel a little gummy but that's what I was hoping for in this case. On this specific car, coming off all season/winters - now going to be running the summers (V701)/winters. It's obviously a step up from all seasons, don't have much else for a direct comparison on this car. 205 50 15 square setup

 

Final Update that concludes my experience with the Yokohama Advan Fleva V701s it's been over a year and 12.000km the tires are finished most of the grooves are gone , the car's never been on track mostly driven on mountain roads in dry and wet road conditions, on different types of tarmac , I guess indeed the sidewalls are soft and I need to upgrade to semi slick tires to have that stiffer sidewall, the value for money was pretty good however I thought I could make it to at least 15.000km with one set but they were done quite sooner than expected, I also have to check my alignment the left side wore down much quicker than the right, I believe that's due to taking right hand corners faster than left hand corners cause of the oncoming lane that's on my left side, the front and rear tire wear was very close the fronts were visibly more worn out, the outer part of the tire had taken the most wear at the very end I even noticed very small parts of rubber had been reaped out, compared to my previous tires (Falken Ziex ZE310) the Advan Fleva was about 25% grippier but lasted less, the treadwear measurement between the 2 brands is close and comparable , the time the tires take to get to operating temperature is quite short almost negligable since they are street tires , they are as expected easy to overheat and lose grip when pushing the car hard for long periods , the window of optimal grip is about 10 minutes maybe a bit less with my driving style when pushing to the limit, in wet conditions of course the tires don't overheat and when in good condition they work exceptionally well providing good grip and evacuating water at a high rate. To finish up the review the Advan Fleva V701s are as expected a great sports tire compound with good grip and high functionality in both wet and dry conditions, I won't be buying this tire model again but I'd recommend them to people that daily drive their MR-S and sometimes go to drive their car spiritedly , I'm planning to stick with the Yokohama brand and move up to the Advan AD08RS semislick tire since the newer AD09s aren't available for 15 inch wheels in Europe

 

The Flevas have served me well on my 2005 MR2--for about three years now. You made a good choice.

 

Nice review, I've also heard good things about them flevas consistently. Good dual duty type of tire