Hmm, I maybe interested.

 

I bought a set of DGR coilovers a while back. They didn't fit right. They were using the same shocks and mounts for the aw11 and the zzw30. The top mounts fit. The bottom didnt. None of the abs and brake line tabs were right. Make sure they fixed the issue before placing a big order. They didn't fix my set. I was stuck with a set of crappy coilovers. They told me use zip ties.

It would be nice for them to provide a sample set since no one has ever seem a set of these before that actually fit.

I dont usually bash products publicly but since I lost a bunch of money on useless coilovers. Unless DGR can prove otherwise these dont fit the spyder.

 

They told me use zip ties..

BC that shit is JDM Tyte son

I wasnt impressed with their facebook posts either. They want to parade their BMW shock dyno like they are the same thing that will be used on the MR2-S

 

Oh, I almost forgot - I've reached out to DGR and asked them to take coilovers off the shelf and take pictures of their mounting hardware for each model. I want to post them here and ensure they're correct.

 

My order was direct from Taiwan. I am a reseller and wanted to offer them to the community here. Since they didn't not want to follow through and correct problems I didn't see any real reason to take peoples money and start a group buy when they didn't want to build or correct problems with a product they offered.

I have a shock dyno and always test fit and shock dyno any product I offered. I don't sell any coilovers any more but I still own a shock dyno for testing.


So here is a question if someone orders a set and they are dynod, will DGR fix the valving if it's not in the ball park? How long to get them revalved?

 

Alright, here is the kit for the SW20. If anybody see's a problem please let me know ASAP. They're working on getting me photo's of the other 2 generations kits now, but this was the first they sent me.

 

silversprint, please forward your invoice from DGR to me - ken at otpauto.com. If you still have them, I'd like to help mediate between you and DGR and get this put to bed. Thanks.

 

Count me in once proper fitment is confirmed.

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kelchm, shoot me a PM with your contact info and I'll get you on the list

 

So I went on a mountain run with some MR2 friends also near Atlanta, and lo and behold, one of my friends had a set of DGR coilovers on her Spyder! I took these pictures literally shoving my phone in her wheel well; they aren't from DGR so don't think they sent these poor quality phone shots as official product photos.

As you can see, they appear to fit correctly; she got them about 6 months ago. She said she likes them a lot, a little bit of a rough ride but she doesn't know the spring rates so take that with a grain of salt.

 

Looks like a BC racing coil over with a different spring

 

Nearly all of the Taiwanese built coilovers look just about the same, sans color. I can tell you for 200% certain that these are NOT BC. They are built in a different factory, by a different company, by different people, with different valving, oil etc. And better quality control.

 

Is 7k the lowest spring rate for the front?

 

Yes. Thats a pretty soft spring, ~400 in/lbs.

 

I understand where you guys are coming from. Our forum is very lax and not as strict as other forums. Which I actually think is a good thing. This leaves it up to us to police our own behavior. Our cars get very little aftermarket support so we are not going to see that many vendors coming in to offer products. I think MFactory was the most recent. Usually it takes one of our own members to persuade the vendors to offer products for the Spyder. Of course no one wants to buy a poor product but if we come across hostile it will only hurt our community. We should keep that in mind even if that vendors product is being advertised by one of our members.

 

I apologize if I broke rules, and it was me, not OTP. I thought the performance section was fitting because I'm not hosting the group buy, just letting people interested in performance know about good pricing on these if they're interested. Also with the lack of suspension options and posts in the performance mod section in general, I thought it would be ok. I personally never go to the Commercial Sales section but come here semi-frequently.

 

I don't see anything wrong with commenting on a product as long as it's not slander.
I would think it would only be to the benefit of the seller to dispell any misunderstanding to gain the confidence of people interested.
If the seller is trying to hide something then it is not to their benefit obviously.

On other forums, they will protect sellers even if they are called out because there is a financial incentive from sponsorship which is far worse.
I see nothing wrong with having a conversation about the product and any observations good or bad. Moderators are members that can act in both capacities.

 

Oh, I agree. I know of many forums where bad sellers are protected via sponsorship revenues. I'm all for a civil debate. I just felt GTS*Jasons comments were less than civil...

 

Why those rates? They are stiffer than anything else out there. Is this a track only setup?

 

Thats what they're valved for. And no. The 'off the shelf' springrates are as follows:

99~UP MR2/MRS (ZZW30) Street: 7k/8k Track: 8.5k/10k
90~99 MR2(SW20L/21L) Street: 5k/8k Track: 7k/10k
86~89 MR2(AW11) Street: 5k/8k Track: 7k/10k


The 5k spring option on them surprises me, now that I look at it. According to their springrate chart they'd sent me awhile back of all available spring options, that size is not on it. I'll investigate that now as well.

 

This tends to be a difficult crowd when it comes to coilovers for the spyder. I believe much of it stems from frustration that we do not have many "good" options for our cars. Most suspension products originating from Taiwan are entry level and low cost.
Most of us are willing to settle for that based on our budgets, however we want the product to be the best option for that given price range.

Given these are new to everyone and not reviewed yet by a member it will be a pain for you OTPAuto. I thank you for your patience with us thus far. I will be in the market for such a product late 2017 so I will be watching closely.

01' MR2 K20 swap, crazy mods to come

 

Just a comment, it's a coilover with rebound damping adjustment rather than compression/rebound on one knob. So they're already a big step above BC coils. Not many budget coilovers offer that.

Now, there was one "vendor" that posted a group buy for coilovers and claimed the same thing. When I happened to ask if that was legit, they responded that it was a mistake and edited the original post. So I figure I'll ask OTP Auto: Can you confirm that DGR coilovers have rebound damping only adjustment on the knob?

And I guess another less relevant question, any connection (not business wise, but part wise) to Fortune Auto?

 

I know for a fact none of the DGR parts are made by BC. BC is probably the largest suspension company in Taiwan if not the world now. The only company that probably makes as many coilovers is probably HSD in Korea. BC has very good build quality for the price. They are the market giant now and everyone tries to aim for them.

All these monotubes coilovers regardless of who makes them has some bleed over with adjusters. It's usually too small to make a different. Some manufacturers accept the bleed over and say the adjuster affects compression, others just ignore it and say it's rebound only. Regardless its' usually so small that its' irrelevant. The valving being right is more important.

The reason you even need the adjuster is because of the linear piston. If you valve the shock to be comfortable, there is little low speed damping and you need super stiff springs to hold the car up in corners. If you add low speed damping then the high speed goes up too high and you break your teeth every time you go over a bump. This is why a properly damped digressive shock can use softer springs for increased grip.

The nonadjustable high speed compression damping on the spyder is very important, because the car is so light. If it's high regardless of how soft you make the springs the ride will not be comfortable. This is the first thing I look at on a single adjustable spyder shock dyno. I can tell what the ride is like or how much R&D was done without needing any other info.

If they try to use the same shock valving front and rear then that's just lazy or cost cutting. The valving should not be the same. Seen this from multiple companies.

 

So realistically, how is the ride on a properly adjusted set of DGR coils? Softer or harsher than BC? Because BCs are extremely harsh.

 

It's up to HeelToeHero of course, but since he's local I'm more than willing to facilitate getting his dampers on the same shock dyno for comparison data. However, the timing is going to be tight, and it's obviously not going to happen before the GB is over. The Group Buy was setup to coincide with the Santa Run HPDE event at Barber - place the orders so they ship by Dec 1, gives everybody just enough time to get them on the cars and sorted before Santa Run.

 

I'm sorry, let me rephrase my question. On a scale of OEM to BC Racing, how soft and comfortable is the ride? I guess that's a question for HeelToeHero since he has them installed. OTPAuto your response uses words like "amazingly well" and "rides great" but is that in terms of performance or comfort? I understand matching valving to spring rates is important and changes the ride characteristics entirely (I myself opted not to buy BCs and instead went for rebound adjustable dampers and OEM style lowering springs), I'm curious about comfort.

 

He doesn't have them yet. He's part of the Group Buy.

They aren't going to ride like stock. It's not possible. Comfort wise, they ride very well. Vs 15+ year old blown stock suspension - probably going to ride nearly as smooth. You're always going to feel more bumps. But they aren't pogo-stick bouncy like BC's or other cheap coilovers. Comfort is subjective, and there's no other way to quantify it. I'm not sure what ride frequencies these, nor the stock setup, are tuned to.

 

How does one pick what spring rate is appropriate? Is the valving changed to match the spring rates?

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Is this a front or rear shock? Looks like a rear.

Ironically is looks very close to a spyder shock dyno.

 

Thats a front. Rear on an E36 doesn't make nearly as much force. I'm at home now, they're all saved on my computer at the shop, I can post the rear tomorrow. The rear graphs look much more.....pedestrian. After seeing all 4 fronts, he decided there was no reason to run every few clicks on the rears (that, and the rears had to be disassembled from the rig each time to make a valving change for some reason).

 

How many people so far?

 

Currently sitting at 4. At least 8 people on the fence. Hopefully everybody doesn't wait until the last minute to jump on, the earlier you jump in the better chance others will with a Group Buy.

 

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5 days. Who else is going to jump in and save some money?

 

2 day countdown.....who's in? Somebody besides HeelToeHero needs to take the plunge before the prices go back up