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Engine Differentiation Question: 1zz-fe and 1zz-fed, Years 2000-2002 and 2003-2005

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#1 ·
Hello all, I wanted to ask a question to the community in regards to the 1zz engine since I may need to purchase one to replace the oil burning 1zz that currently dwells in my MR2. I wanted to know if there was any way to tell between a 1zz fe and the 1zz fed externally. I know that the Celica GT's and MR2 Spyders both came with them so I am hoping that I can get a good look at the manifolds and be able to tell if they are ordinary 1zz's or the higher power 1zz fed variant. The second issue I am having is how to tell the years or if there was any visual difference that could be used to tell between a 2000-2002 1zz from a 2003-2005 1zz as I hear that the newer 1zz's fixed the oil consumption issue that plagued the earlier engines. Thanks in advance!




Another note: It's not that I do not wish to do a 2zz swap, but rather it is not economically feasible to do it at the moment. I'll add power when I feel that I have the driving skill to utilize it. As of now I am both broke and do not have a lot of skill under my belt. :02.47-tranquillity:
 
#3 ·
Pretty sure Celica and Mr2 1zz-fed's were the only one to feature the axle bearing carrier bracket. Other 1zz-fe's did not have the bracket or the threaded holes in the block for mounting it. Of course FE's that were modified to swap into a Spyder would have the holes drilled and threaded. But there are other ways of identifying these. If you had just bothered to search you would have found this:
http://www.spyderchat.com/forums/showthread.php?56252-STR-1ZZ-Motor-Info

Personally I don't recommend searching, you can always count on someone else to do it for you, so practically speaking it is a waste of time.
 
#5 ·
My thanks to everyone who has contributed thus far. I am not "new" per say to this forum and I apologize for not looking close enough at the search results. I actually spent a good deal of time mulling over on google to figure out the differences and the thread MerryFrankster provided solved most if not all of my issues. I guess I'm going to have a fun time looking for the perfect engine to drop in.
 
#4 ·
Axle carrier and the valve sizing are the main mechanical differences. THe engine plate can be used to differentiate, but you have to call toyota to get it looked up. If the sticker is worn off there's no way to tell, unless there's markings on the head I'm not aware of.
 
#7 ·
It's my understanding that the rods are different between the Fe and fed variants. The Fe has powdered metal rods, whereas the fed has lightweight cast rods. Drilled holes for the passenger carrier bearing (fed) will be the obvious identifier between the two.
 
#9 ·
European / Japanese / far east market 1.4L (4zz-fe), 1.6L (3zz-fe) and 1.8L (1zz-fe) short blocks all have drilled holes for the passenger carrier bearing even if these engines are fitted to Corolla, Avensis, Corolla Verso or RAV4 and they do not use the support bracket at all.

So the drilled holes won’t be the obvious identifier between the two (expect for the USA market production)

The short block of 1.4L (4zz-fe), 1.6L (3zz-fe) and 1.8L (1zz-fe) are identical and by just replacing the rotating assembly you can convert one to the other mechanics wise. Fuel and ECU of course needs to be handled.

1zz-fe engines made for Celica T23 and MR2 mk3 have a larger intake valve (+1mm) cylinder head compared to 1zz-fe engines for Corolla, Corolla Verso, Avensis, RAV4 or far east Corolla Altis variants. Plus a different ECU to run the larger valves properly. This is the reason for 129/130HP (normal 1zz) versus 143HP (Celica /MR2 1zz).

We have made many conversions and there was never a difference for Celica / MR2 conrods (size, design, weight) even their part numbers are exactly the same.