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How to make your smt shift faster

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#1 ·
The smt is like all things in a street going performance car is a compromise. The compromise is shifting speed vs. reliability. Ideally there should be 2 shifting modes one mode for longevity and one mode for speedy shifting. The actual shifting mechanism is quite quick in stock form what isn't is the clutch engagement.

There are a couple ways to make the smt up shift faster. The system works by monitoring crank speed (rpm) and Transmission input shaft speed (RPM). When those two shafts are within 500 rpm of one another the smt will release the clutch to engage it and the next gear. A good example is the smt down shifts faster than it up shifts because it can rev the engine faster than decelerate it. There are a couple ways to make those two shafts reach the appropriate speeds quicker.

Over the years smt owners have devised a couple ways to make the smt shift quicker. One is to time lifting off of the throttle with up shifts so the throttle body closes faster and the revs drop faster. This method works but can be inconsistent. I figured out a way (thanks to oilfieldtrash for letting me tinker with his car) to make this happen without the timed throttle lifting part. Lifting results in quicker up shifts because of the back up system the smt Drive by wire system uses. The back up system uses the actual throttle cable in the event the dbw motor or pedal sensor fails. None of the later model toyotas that use Drive by wire throttle bodies have this back up because the systems are very reliable. If you have taken the smt t/b off you will notice that the cable input spool will open the throttle body partially.

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The mechanical opening/back up system is the reason you need to lift throttle to get it shift remotely quick. With the throttle body fully closed the revs match faster. The revs will drop low enough with the t/b only partially open (not lifting your foot off of the floor) for the smt to shift it is just painfully slow. Remove this direct link to the throttle plate and you don't have to move your foot off of the floor to get the car shifting as quickly as possible.

So to get that perfect lift throttle timing every time all you need to do is take the throttle body off of the car. Pull the 4 bolts out of the pedal position sensor. Cut the tab off of the pedal position sensor to remove the direct link. Then reassemble and install the throttle body. Be advised this mod eliminates the mechanical throttle acutation backup.

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This is two different pedal position sensors. The one on the left has the tab removed the one on the right is stock.

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The other method to improve shifting speed is to lighten the rotating assembly (crank, clutch pressure plate, flywheel, rods, pistons, crank damper) so the revs fall faster. This allows the shaft speed to fall faster when the throttle plate is closed. Which in turn allows the smt to engage the clutch quicker? This mod is effective but costly. If you want to do this mod buy the absolute lightest flywheel and clutch combo possible. I DO NOT recommend using undampened crank pulleys to lighten the rotating assembly. Under driving individual accessories like the alternator will also improve this. Lighter rods and pistons would help but not worth the effort IMHO.

SMT Throttle body Removal and reinstall
 
#2 ·
Thank you!!!

Originally posted by LittleRocket
Be advised this mod eliminates the mechanical throttle acutation backup.
Just a thought, you might want to give people explanation what this means to make sure your "legal disclaimer" is actually understood.
 
#8 ·
David, many thanks for this amazing write-up, some parts of which are just beyond this noob's ability to understand.

Originally posted by LittleRocket
None of the later model cars using dbw have this back up because the systems are very reliable.
If the throttle body cable is the thing slowing down the up-shifting process, and if the cable is associated with a backup system, and if "later model cars" don't have a backup system at all, then...are "later model cars" already upshifting faster and not in need of the mod you describe?

What are "later model cars"? Are you referring to later model Spyders or other cars?
 
#9 ·
any way to modify the range in which the ecu alows a shift? or

could you take the input from the crank angle sensor and "copy" it to the input shaft speed input of the ecu? (assuming the signal is in the same format).

this in effect would trick the ecu into thinking the 2 speeds are always the same thus always in the 500 rpm range. it would be hard on the clutch and shifts may not be smooth (important when shifting to a shorter gear). but could speed things up a lot.
 
#10 ·
Mark,

I edited that comment. Don't know if that will help or not. We will get it noob proof then post it in the library. I am digging up the pdf to R&I the throttle body from toyota now.
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Dutch,

The signals are different in every way. The number or teeth on the tone ring aren't the same. Besides it needs to get the gear selected before the clutch is let out. When we had the 2zz in the smt it hit hard enough to lay rubber during the 1-2 shift with less than idea traction situations on the shift with the act hd clutch.

I think doing this mod and lightening the flywheel/clutch combo under driving the accessories and lightening the pulleys will help a bunch. It will never be as fast as a good manual shifter but smt owners will never have to hold in a monster clutch while in traffic.....
 
#11 ·
Originally posted by LittleRocket
We will get it noob proof then post it in the library.
I'm happy to be a test dummy. More questions/comments...

Before I bought the Spyder with SMT I read in reviews that the swiftness of SMT shifting was a compromise between quickness and durability of the clutch or tranny, and you allude to this, too. But I get the sense that the mod you have described here is not a durability problem for either the transmission or the clutch. Rather, it is just a way to change engine RPM faster so it will match up with the tranny shaft RPM in a shorter amount of time. Is that correct?

And regarding the reliability of the DBW system (which I had to google to understand :oops: ), you say that later model non-Spyder Toyotas don't even bother to back them up with cables and such because they are so reliable. Would you or anyone care to guess if the Spyder DBW systems are just as reliable? In other words, what kind of risk are we taking?

THANKS!
 
#12 ·
Originally posted by Mark G+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mark G)</div>
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We will get it noob proof then post it in the library.
I'm happy to be a test dummy. More questions/comments...

Before I bought the Spyder with SMT I read in reviews that the swiftness of SMT shifting was a compromise between quickness and durability of the clutch or tranny, and you allude to this, too. But I get the sense that the mod you have described here is not a durability problem for either the transmission or the clutch. Rather, it is just a way to change engine RPM faster so it will match up with the tranny shaft RPM in a shorter amount of time. Is that correct?

And regarding the reliability of the DBW system (which I had to google to understand :oops: ), you say that later model non-Spyder Toyotas don't even bother to back them up with cables and such because they are so reliable. Would you or anyone care to guess if the Spyder DBW systems are just as reliable? In other words, what kind of risk are we taking?

THANKS![/b]
Yes that is correct. We are just helping the stock system work faster.

Yes the DBW (drive by wire) is that good. The SMT uses a derivative of the 98 land cruiser dbw tb iirc. The land cruiser was the first for toyota. They were worried about reliability isues so they put in a back up system. Now nearly everything sans the corollar and matrix is dbw because it is that reliable.
 
#14 ·
Ahhh... I see now! Thanks for the write up LR.

Oh well, my will soon be a manual... Lets see if my hack to the SMT TB work on a manual transmission...
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#16 ·
Don't expect a miracle cure out of this mod. Anybody who has done the lift and shift bit to get a SMT to shift faster will appreciate this. It effectively makes every shift like you lifted perfectly regardless of what your foot does.
 
#20 ·
Originally posted by yaos
we will lose some Tq with this mod. don't know if the quicker shift can cover the Tq we are losing (i mean the overall acclerate time).
Could you please elaborate what you mean by this and why you feel that will be the case?
 
#21 ·
Originally posted by yaos
we will lose some Tq with this mod. don't know if the quicker shift can cover the Tq we are losing (i mean the overall acclerate time).

If
I'm interpreting what you are trying to say correctly, you would be incorrect. We lose that same amount of "Tq" with or without this mod, since the motor revs need to drop to be able to rev match on the upshift. It just takes longer without the mod done to lose that same amount of "Tq"

By the way, I'm assuming "Tq" is torque
 
#22 ·
Originally posted by SuperWhiteGT4+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperWhiteGT4)</div>
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we will lose some Tq with this mod. don't know if the quicker shift can cover the Tq we are losing (i mean the overall acclerate time).

If
I'm interpreting what you are trying to say correctly, you would be incorrect. We lose that same amount of "Tq" with or without this mod, since the motor revs need to drop to be able to rev match on the upshift. It just takes longer without the mod done to lose that same amount of "Tq"

By the way, I'm assuming "Tq" is torque[/b]

from what i understand, he is trying to make the t/b close all the way when shift. so the RPM drops faster. am i right?
 
#26 ·
Originally posted by SuperWhiteGT4+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperWhiteGT4)</div>
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from what i understand, he is trying to make the t/b close all the way when shift. so the RPM drops faster. am i right?
Right, so why would you "lose torque" when it's doing the same thing it's always done, just faster?[/b]
ok, just to make sure i got the right idea.

so, do you know why the RPM would drop faster when the t/b is closed all the way?