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How to make your smt shift faster

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#1 ·
The smt is like all things in a street going performance car is a compromise. The compromise is shifting speed vs. reliability. Ideally there should be 2 shifting modes one mode for longevity and one mode for speedy shifting. The actual shifting mechanism is quite quick in stock form what isn't is the clutch engagement.

There are a couple ways to make the smt up shift faster. The system works by monitoring crank speed (rpm) and Transmission input shaft speed (RPM). When those two shafts are within 500 rpm of one another the smt will release the clutch to engage it and the next gear. A good example is the smt down shifts faster than it up shifts because it can rev the engine faster than decelerate it. There are a couple ways to make those two shafts reach the appropriate speeds quicker.

Over the years smt owners have devised a couple ways to make the smt shift quicker. One is to time lifting off of the throttle with up shifts so the throttle body closes faster and the revs drop faster. This method works but can be inconsistent. I figured out a way (thanks to oilfieldtrash for letting me tinker with his car) to make this happen without the timed throttle lifting part. Lifting results in quicker up shifts because of the back up system the smt Drive by wire system uses. The back up system uses the actual throttle cable in the event the dbw motor or pedal sensor fails. None of the later model toyotas that use Drive by wire throttle bodies have this back up because the systems are very reliable. If you have taken the smt t/b off you will notice that the cable input spool will open the throttle body partially.

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The mechanical opening/back up system is the reason you need to lift throttle to get it shift remotely quick. With the throttle body fully closed the revs match faster. The revs will drop low enough with the t/b only partially open (not lifting your foot off of the floor) for the smt to shift it is just painfully slow. Remove this direct link to the throttle plate and you don't have to move your foot off of the floor to get the car shifting as quickly as possible.

So to get that perfect lift throttle timing every time all you need to do is take the throttle body off of the car. Pull the 4 bolts out of the pedal position sensor. Cut the tab off of the pedal position sensor to remove the direct link. Then reassemble and install the throttle body. Be advised this mod eliminates the mechanical throttle acutation backup.

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This is two different pedal position sensors. The one on the left has the tab removed the one on the right is stock.

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The other method to improve shifting speed is to lighten the rotating assembly (crank, clutch pressure plate, flywheel, rods, pistons, crank damper) so the revs fall faster. This allows the shaft speed to fall faster when the throttle plate is closed. Which in turn allows the smt to engage the clutch quicker? This mod is effective but costly. If you want to do this mod buy the absolute lightest flywheel and clutch combo possible. I DO NOT recommend using undampened crank pulleys to lighten the rotating assembly. Under driving individual accessories like the alternator will also improve this. Lighter rods and pistons would help but not worth the effort IMHO.

SMT Throttle body Removal and reinstall
 
#77 ·
kozmic- I have a few names and some topics for you to hunt through regarding this swap. I looking into it and it's still in consideration, although I'm still in need of more info, some of it being what you're looking for as well.

Little Rocket is the swap master, as I'm sure you're familiar with. One of his swaps was for a gentleman whos screen name is OilfieldTrash. They were doing a 2zz/SMT swap into an '03. They got it to about 95% completion and gave up with a few major glaring issues.

Here's one thread
http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?sho...c=34659&hl=

And the biggun'
http://spyderchat.com/forums/index.php?sho...c=32877&hl=


Hope this helps. In my hours of searching, this is all I found that was relevant to this.
 
#78 ·
I planned on doing this mod to my SMT TB today, but I'm lost. All of the pics are of this thing already removed from the car. I already have the battery out because the car's in storage, but I can't see anything that looks like the part you've got out.

Can somebody give me some guidance on how to actually FIND this thing and remove it? None of the threads that discuss this have even a simple pic of where this thing is exactly, and the BGB is no help.
 
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#79 ·
If you're standing behind the car looking into the bay, your tb will be behind and to the left of the engine head (near firewall). It's what your air intake connects to. Not the easiest thing in the world to remove.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (midshipman01 @ Feb 15 2009, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If you're standing behind the car looking into the bay, your tb will be behind and to the left of the engine head (near firewall). It's what your air intake connects to. Not the easiest thing in the world to remove.[/b]
OK, that helps. It looks like I'll need to pull off my RSTB and the air intake stuff. Thanks!
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mark G @ Feb 13 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
David, many thanks for this amazing write-up, some parts of which are just beyond this noob's ability to understand.[/b]
That'd be me! :noobbananadance:

but im trying every day to learn.
 
#83 ·
Finally got around to this mod... works great ! WOT shifts are now just as good as the "normal" ones. Very satisfied. Best bang for the $$$ mod, for sure.

I did Fosley's "Bottom-up" approach. Took about two hours, but a lot of that was hunting around for the throttle and for my tools (see below).

For those who are planning on doing it - here are my tips for Fosley's write-up.

1) the throttle is waaay back. As other posters have said, find the front engine mount (while on your back looking up) - then look way up.
2) skinny arms are helpful, though i've got fairly average arms and i got the job done with a few scratches.
3) I've been in the habit of using a nice big 3/8" driver and deep sockets so I can be prepared for all sorts of circumstances. That won't work here. Dig out your itty bitty 1/4" driver and shallow (metric) sockets.
4) The cable can easily detach from the pulley - just remember the way it was oriented before you take the pulley off. Leave the cable hanging and you can easily reattach the pulley when ready.

Thanks to LittleRocket and Fosley and the other contributors.
 
#84 ·
I have found that simply knowing how to lift throttle at the the right time negates the need for any modification in this regard.

Knowing how to drive your car and operate it's systems > any mod. YMMV, based on how competent a driver you are.
 
#85 ·
Of course you can do let off the gas before you shift. But the point of the smt is that you dont have to worry about things like that. Sometimes I feel lazy and just wanna leave my foot on the gas and shift up and down. The only bad thing about the mod was when I converted my smt to manual I could no longer use the smt TB because I had to broke the clips which were needed for the manual portion. It was just a pain getting all all the components to work with the manual tb. Any that has SMT I highly recommend this mod.
 
#86 ·
I did this mod 2 years ago and I can't understand how you can drive your car without it . Now that my car is modded it still shifts slower than an MT but I can live with it . The fastest way to drive my car is , floor the accelerator , than shift at 6500 rpm while leaving my foot on the floor . Upshifting is quicker at 6500 rpm than at 3500 rpm ; so , the faster you go the quicker it shifts .
When I did this mod I hesitated because I was shure that some ducktape wouldn't be the solution to repare the tab ; so I planned to do the " SMT quick shift mod , the Belgian way " . This means that you make a washer , 1 cm or 1/2 inch thick , that can be placed between the 2 parts of the TB . This way you don't have to cut the tab .
If you do this mod this will be the best mod ever ( for a SMT ) .
Marc
 
#87 ·
When I did this mod I hesitated because I was shure that some ducktape wouldn't be the solution to repare the tab ; so I planned to do the " SMT quick shift mod , the Belgian way " . This means that you make a washer , 1 cm or 1/2 inch thick , that can be placed between the 2 parts of the TB . This way you don't have to cut the tab .
If you do this mod this will be the best mod ever ( for a SMT ) .
Marc
I'm not really understanding by what you mean about the washer.From my reading you put a washer between the two parts and assemble back together wouldn't this do some damage as it rotates.
 
#88 ·
If you put a washer between the trottle body and the pedal position sensor , the tab is not connected with the trottle body , this gives you the same result as if you cut the tab . After this mod the cable coming from the accelerator is only connected with the pedal position sensor , now the trottle body is operated by a small motor that's controled by the ECU .
Marc
 
#101 ·
Make one straight cut, roughly tangent to the circle. As long as the tab is removed, it can't engage the butterfly, so a perfect circle is not important. I used a 20,000 rpm die grinder with an abrasive cutoff wheel. Do one straight cut into the metal tab and stop before you cut all the way through. Then bend the little tab with pliers until it snaps off. That way you won't nick the guts.

To put it back on, welding is impossible. The housing is plastic. JB Weld Epoxy might work. You'd have to fabricate a new circle-with-tab piece. Not sure if it would interfere inside the housing.
 
#96 · (Edited)
Just wondering why Toyota made the gear chanching as they did. Fast down shifts but slower up shifts. They are not idiots they who made the manual gearbox to a SMT so maybe it is supposed to upshift slower because that's better for the clutch and gearbox? The SMT is maybe calibrated so it has the same lifespan as a manual?
 
#97 · (Edited)
without hurting the TB??

a new TB is alot of money, id imagine welding the piece you cut off would be a pain as well. Is there any way to accomplish this mod without permanently changing the TB??

I understand nobody that has done this mod has had the electronic throttle fail... im not trying to be the first.


been lurkin since monday when i bought an '03 6spd black/black....love the site!!! really beats the old days with a hayes shop manual!!
 
#100 ·
The screws are pretty tiny. I just did the mod this afternoon. The heads are NOT 9mm, and 8mm wouldn't fit. (are they 8.5mm heads ??) I used a 5/16 box end wrench and it fit perfectly. You could easily remove one screw to have a sample for thread and length matching. Remove the lower screw on the driver's side. It has the most room for access.

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To get this screw out (the one withe the box end wrench hanging), you have to rotate the throttle spool a little. Cram two hands up in there. It's tight.
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#103 ·
To get this screw out (the one withe the box end wrench hanging), you have to rotate the throttle spool a little. Cram two hands up in there. It's tight.
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In this image, is that exposed sensor the APS that we're looking for?

Please excuse me, I'm a new Spyder owner and fairly new to DIY mechanics. And is this photo from the bottom up, or the top down?

Thank you!