[Gouky]

Interesting, do you mind if i ask how much that cost? it might be a good option to point people to

 

[gil393]

$80 for the fittings, $34 for a 32" long (fitting end to fitting end) -6an straight female to -6an straight female ptfe fuel line. $31 for an insulated, silicone covering rated to 500 degrees continuous, 2000 intermittent. So best case, about $50 up to $140 for the paranoid version.

 

[silversprint]

Thank you, yes that is the plan. The hardest part so far is starting the BAR Referee process. I've sat on hold twice for over an hour trying to reach the Referee call center. I want to meet with one and go over the game plan first, and to see what most people fail with. Maybe 3rd time will be the charm.


Yeah I'm on the fence with this, it's got the TTE bumpers and a working antenna as well. There are a lot of cheaper Spyders on the market right now than when I bought mine a few years ago. I feel like it'll be hard to get near 10k for it.

I'm a sucker for a Black on Black Spyder, there's one in Vegas for 4500 that hit a deer in 08 but looks really good. There was another Spyder near me in Temecula with a hardtop, but I guess it was taken down due to a bad key cylinder.

@Gouky I'm an hour away from the SEMA Garage and the California Air Resource Board office if you change your mind on getting Executive Orders for certain parts or groups of parts and need someone in the area to interface with them, or get more information.

The call center just gets your info then a referee familiar with your chassis is scheduled go call you back.


To BAR this swap you must use the stock exhaust manifold that means moving the engine back using all new engine mounts and cutting the subframe. The exhaust manifold can not be changed or modified in any way.

You need the complete exhaust from the donor car. Cat and o2 sensors must be in same linear locations as stock donor engine. They even check the angles on the o2 sensors.

You also need to use the stock airbox or a carb legal intake for the donor engine.

They want an unmodified ECU that came with your donor engine. They will make you scan the ECU using an older smog machine that can pull all sorts of OEM data from it and submit that to BAR. They tell you what to print and submit.

You also need the EVAP canister from the donor engine car.

BAR is also in discussion about future engine swaps needing the complete donor gas tank on some swaps which will basically eliminate most swaps.

So get your swaps done now!

I am in the process of a 2zz BAR swap. I bought a complete matrix donor.

Also when you buy the donor engine make sure to check the vin on the toyota online vin decoder to make sure its listed as 50 state legal. That's the first thing they ask for.

 

[Roadblaster]

man california sounds terrible place to live,
I am progressing with my 2ar swap in australia and will have it all engineered etc but nothing too onerous just need a cat converter and small stuff like intake needs to be rigid mounted etc.
Which marcs kit meets easily.
Hopefully add some more driving videos for people to get an idea soon.

 

[Ceege]

The call center just gets your info then a referee familiar with your chassis is scheduled go call you back.


To BAR this swap you must use the stock exhaust manifold that means moving the engine back using all new engine mounts and cutting the subframe. The exhaust manifold can not be changed or modified in any way.

You need the complete exhaust from the donor car. Cat and o2 sensors must be in same linear locations as stock donor engine. They even check the angles on the o2 sensors.

You also need to use the stock airbox or a carb legal intake for the donor engine.

They want an unmodified ECU that came with your donor engine. They will make you scan the ECU using an older smog machine that can pull all sorts of OEM data from it and submit that to BAR. They tell you what to print and submit.

You also need the EVAP canister from the donor engine car.

BAR is also in discussion about future engine swaps needing the complete donor gas tank on some swaps which will basically eliminate most swaps.

So get your swaps done now!

I am in the process of a 2zz BAR swap. I bought a complete matrix donor.

Also when you buy the donor engine make sure to check the vin on the toyota online vin decoder to make sure its listed as 50 state legal. That's the first thing they ask for.

Thank you for the info. Rumor is you can pass with one noncompliant device. I hope to have that be the fuel tank.

I'm currently in the beginning tear down steps with the TC. Transmission needs a bit of work. Slightly worried that the previous owner did an engine replacement with a 2014 engine but it still has the 2011 ecu.

Referee should be calling me by Friday. I'll try to see if he has a date of when the rules change.

 

[Roadblaster]

Finished mine and put some abusive drive on it and everything is working well. Its a great motor for the chassis and I am very very happy with it
All the little things work flawlessly like the gauges and what not its the nicest conversion ive ever done (this is number 8). I cannot recommend it highly enough.
In Australia where a few things were a bit more of a challenge that you chaps in the USA, it was still not too bad. Would be a no brainer in the USA.
I think Marc has put together a great kit thats got the perfect ratio of making the hard things easy but still enough little things to do yourself that makes it a satisfying and rewarding project.

Ill try and get a little youtube walk around done soon and some spirited driving of some sort so people can see/hear what its all about.

 

[Jeff Stig]

After about a tank and half of gas on this set up I have to say it is worth it. The instant torque really makes this car come alive. I did the sixth gear switch as well and 3k at 80 according to my speedo is nice. 28.5 MPG is a great bonus as well, I may not have completely let her rip but I did do a bit of spirited driving with top down the entire time. I just want to give credit to Gouky, Thank you for doing sooo much work for this set up.

 

[Gouky]

That's awesome, I'm glad you are enjoying the swap

I've been getting similar fuel economy reports back so that sounds about right. I've never had it in a street car and i tend to just get 11-14mpg when racing it.

 

[gil393]

28.5! I can’t keep my foot out of it, don’t check and don’t care but probably closer to the 10-11. Constant repetitive 0-50ish pulls around town with a bunch of fun linked corners. Although today there was a cop sitting near those linked s-curves, first time in 20 years that I can remember, hmmm. Good thing I was hauling old tires to the recycling center.

 

[Gouky]

28.5! I can’t keep my foot out of it, don’t check and don’t care but probably closer to the 10-11. Constant repetitive 0-50ish pulls around town with a bunch of fun linked corners. Although today there was a cop sitting near those linked s-curves, first time in 20 years that I can remember, hmmm. Good thing I was hauling old tires to the recycling center.

lol i can get better economy on the track than 10-11 so you're probably getting slightly better than that

I'm glad you're enjoying it

 

[Roadblaster]

i have been getting very good mileage. I would say around 7.5L/100km not sure what that is in MPG. 30?
I did a track day the other day, drove from home, did 6 sessions, drove home on same tank.

 

[Billy C]

I'm kinda wishing I would have tried this swap over the 2zz. The 2zz is great and all but it leaves a lot on the table.

 

[Roadblaster]

the biggest reason i went 2ar over 2zz is the 2ar here in australia, and probably USA as well, are a very known entity, you can get one out of a car thats been in an accident with very low miles. All of the 2zz here are a real roll of the dice by comparison.

 

[Mr2salty]

I’m getting convinced. Next good commission check I’m getting a header and some other parts from Frankenstein.

I’m looking for a tc to buy and drive around while I collect parts.

 

[gil393]

lol i can get better economy on the track than 10-11 so you're probably getting slightly better than that

I'm glad you're enjoying it

16mpg after second fill up. All in town stop light Grand Prix. I came home from the store and got admonished because none of the eggs were in the carton!

 

[Jeff Stig]

Waiting for the release of the 7200 FT/LBs of torque tune. Might be a little less on only four cylinders.

 

[1997aarondavis]

I'm trying the 282's right up front because i think i can keep the smooth streetability since i can tune the VVT-I. but you might be right, i might need to back off a bit. nobody else has played with this engine (and published it) so i have to find out what it likes.

I don't know if your still need advice , I have done 9 months of research into building this engine, I am now half way threw the build , id be happy to send you a parts list for the build including company
End horsepower of the build is 371hp n/a

 

[1997aarondavis]

Gouky just looking at that video I couldnt help but notice at 1.30 if the water pump is really that hefty prob cools the oil as well. Electric would save a ton of weight as would an external
oil cooler etc. Sure this boosted AR goes to 9k but could really live a very happy life at 8000rpm
with sorted wet sump and maybe for peace of mind some lighter valves and slightly ported head. Im also wonder how much better this engine could run in NA tune
with direct long ITBs at the higher rpm range like some racing engines do.
Lastly the rocker cover seems very simple with low material content would a plastic one
(if available) reduce weight substantially or only a few ounces?
Im more interested in NA tune and getting the weight down as light as possible
which is prob of not much interest to others so excuse my queries.

371hp